Is this your first time doing papa-katsu through an app?
Actually, that’s what I’m curious about too lol
How old is your papa?
Sweets-hopping usually means being surrounded by (young) women, so I feel like you might stand out if you go with an older man lol
Afternoon tea is different, though, so that might be a better option.
You decide your own value. Try to eliminate wishful thinking as much as possible and calmly assess the value of your personal brand compared with other women.
If you want lots of offers, set your price slightly below that value. If you’re okay with fewer offers, set it higher. If you still receive offers at that price, then that’s your actual value.
If you get offers at that amount, go once, and get repeat offers, then the price is probably right.
If you get no offers, your looks may not match the price. If you don’t get repeat offers, then your conversation and behavior probably aren’t satisfying the other person enough, or you’re not worth the amount you’re asking.
That’s how I see it.
The woman I went on a date with the day before yesterday was someone I met outside a dating club. We went to an all-you-can-eat yakiniku chain restaurant, and there was no allowance. No intimacy either.
Including the drive, I think we spent about four hours together in total.
She’s beautiful, and we have plenty to talk about, so I’ll probably become intimate with her eventually. But whether I want to get seriously involved with her simply because she doesn’t cost me anything is a separate question.
> Is 5,000 yen for a dessert tour or 3,000 yen for a first meeting reasonable?
If she’s someone you enjoy seeing even without intimacy, those amounts are extremely cheap. Compared with the woman I mentioned above, though, even 5,000 or 3,000 yen would seem “expensive.”
But I don’t think that means you’d automatically choose the cheaper option.
I recently started a monthly arrangement with a girl from Universe Club before becoming intimate with her. She’s almost certainly a Type A, so I probably won’t be intimate with her for a while—but somehow, that’s perfectly fine. More than fine, actually. Since I’m paying monthly without intimacy, it’s incredibly expensive in a sense. But if I had to choose which of these three—including the person asking the question—I’d prioritize, it would probably be the girl on the monthly arrangement.
In other words, it doesn’t really seem to be about whether someone is expensive or cheap.
Whether it’s reasonable or not ultimately depends on the person asking.
Isn’t this the kind of thing that happens fairly often on apps?
That said, no matter what community you’re in, it depends on how attractive you are as a woman. For example, even at Universe Club, a woman who receives lots of offers can ask for a higher allowance, while women who receive fewer offers tend to have less bargaining power when it comes to their desired allowance. I think that’s true everywhere—whether it’s an app, the adult-entertainment industry, or anywhere else.
You should also think carefully about what kind of relationship you want to have with your papa (a male supporter) going forward.
Even at Universe Club, there aren’t many men who will pay an allowance of 20,000 or 30,000 yen for dinner dates only. I’ve also heard of cases where a man offers a generous allowance for an adult relationship (intimate), but wants to meet for dinner only after the second date onward with no allowance at all.
If you’re not considering developing the relationship into an adult relationship (intimate) and plan to continue seeing him only for meals or sweets, then even 5,000 yen might be reasonable. But transportation alone can easily cost 1,000 yen, so it also depends on how much you genuinely like the man.
Let me offer my answer.
As for the allowance, this is a free-form relationship, so if both parties are happy with the amount, I think it’s perfectly reasonable.
What really matters, in my opinion, is whether you can gain something from that person beyond just money.
Use that something to increase your own value, and then make him your stepping stone toward meeting the next wonderful person.
Personally, I’m always the one being used as a stepping stone (ﾉД`)ｼｸｼｸ…
I hope you have a wonderful encounter.
I also visit five or six dessert shops in a day with women from the club, but it’s practically a full day’s work.
I don’t think either person could enjoy it unless they genuinely liked doing that, regardless of the allowance involved.
Even when we spend the whole day going around, the allowance is the same as for an hour of tea or a meal. It doesn’t change.
You need to find someone who wants to visit the places you want to go to—and who would go there even on her own. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be enjoyable, just like with golf, karaoke, or going to the movies.
It depends on how long you’re expected to stay, but Tokyo’s minimum wage is ¥1,280, compared with the national average of ¥1,177, so two or three hours should be no problem.
If you think it’s reasonable, then it’s reasonable for you. I don’t know whether the man in question would agree.
The basic principle of business is to buy low and sell high.
If a papa (a male supporter) thinks your rate is a bargain or simply cheap, then it’s probably reasonable from his perspective.
When you’re selling your time piece by piece, once that time passes, it’s gone. So rather than just trying to sell it at a higher price, you also need to find people who are willing to pay for it.
That said, if you keep selling yourself cheap, you’ll mainly attract that kind of clientele, and you won’t come across people willing to pay more.
It’s not easy, lol.
Whether it’s reasonable depends on how the two of you see it.
If you both feel it’s fair, then I’d say it’s reasonable. But since you’re asking this question, I assume you’re not fully satisfied. In that case, I’d say it may not be reasonable for you.
I think you should decide based on whether you’re comfortable with it.
Recently, I feel like more women are asking for ¥10,000 for a dinner date, so based on that, I’d think it would be reasonable for you to receive ¥10,000.
On the other hand, there are also women who ask for ¥10,000 for full intimacy, so some people may consider that amount appropriate.
That said, those examples are more about dating apps, so I’m not sure how things work with a dating club.
If you feel you want ¥10,000, you could say something like this while there’s still time:
“Would it be possible to set the allowance at ¥10,000 for sweets-hopping dates and ¥5,000 for the first meeting? If that’s difficult, please consider this arrangement canceled.”
But rather than focusing on other people’s opinions, I’d like you to think about whether you personally feel comfortable with it.
