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Feb 13, 2022 14:17
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I seem to remember that there used to be several respondents who said they paid the allowance women asked for.
At some point, those male respondents disappeared (and I suspect even among regular members who aren't respondents, there have been fewer men like that), and I feel that more people have become advocates of keeping allowances down.
From your perspective, Makeotoko, why do you think things have shifted this way? What do you think would encourage more generous male members to join?
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s
👨 Male
Universe member
I give the woman I’m currently seeing 50,000 yen or more.
There’s nothing inherently good or bad about that.
If anything, since I give different allowances to different women, you could say I’m a bad man too.
Even for “Mr. Loser,” only some women probably get a high allowance—and if things don’t work out, he’ll likely say bye and drop her right away.
For the woman who gets dropped, it’s hell. Once she’s experienced a high allowance and enjoyed the good life, finding her next partner will probably be extremely difficult.
So, in the end, the amount of the allowance doesn’t matter. We’re all evil men who measure women by their allowance and use them for our own benefit.
We lure them in by exploiting their hopes and desires—their wish to enjoy the good life. If the fish turns out to be nothing special, we release it immediately. Whether the lure is expensive or cheap, the result is the same. We’re all truly despicable fishermen.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
When I first joined, I used to ask women how much allowance they wanted. But it seemed that only women who were familiar with dating clubs or had extensive papa-katsu experience could really answer, so I eventually stopped asking.
Over time, I realized that the women I was looking for weren’t especially fixated on, or even that interested in, specific amounts. Eventually, I stopped bringing up allowance altogether.
I think women who are looking for a generous (well-paying) man, like the one described in the question, will be matched with that kind of man. And women who aren’t looking for that will be matched with men who suit them.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
The question box is a place for respondents to answer, so I feel that asking questions directed at specific individuals may be considered poor etiquette. But perhaps it’s not a problem as long as someone else answers?
As the questioner wrote, “those kinds of male respondents have disappeared,” I think they’re simply talking about the respondents here.
Across the whole Universe platform, I believe there are still people who give women the amount they ask for. I’ve also heard of women receiving 10 or more.
Of course, if a man has decided to give everyone 10, then that isn’t the amount the woman requested.
> How do you think we can increase the number of generous male members like that?
I’ve written this several times before, but if all the women banded together and simply declined an arrangement whenever the amount offered was lower than what they wanted, that would do it.
Right now, some women accept whatever allowance the man offers, so men assume that amount is fine.
That said, getting everyone to band together isn’t exactly realistic, so it’s difficult.
But without worrying about what everyone else is doing, if you simply decide to turn down anyone who doesn’t offer the allowance you want, you’ll only end up seeing people who meet your desired amount.
What others are doing or what people answer in the question box becomes irrelevant.
First, think about the highest amount you could realistically ask for while still making things work, and then try requesting that amount. It might be worth considering various approaches.
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
Even someone answering under the name Carlos Ghosn might actually be Sanshiro—or even Ramen Jiro, for all we know.
Incidentally, there are two people here who know about my allowance arrangements. I’m a very well-prepared person, so I always make sure to tie up my loose ends. I won’t say who those two people are, though.
Anyway, to answer your question:
Sorry for the hopeless answer, but I think the number of papas who give large allowances will only continue to decline.
You may have heard that the top few people own some huge percentage of the world’s wealth. It’s the same thing here.
After the term papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) was coined, dating clubs became popular, and I think a large middle class emerged—men offering allowances of 8 or 10, for example. That was probably three to five years ago.
At the time, it was a seller’s market in a sense, so men had to offer large allowances to date women. But now, with apps and new dating clubs included, the market has become oversaturated, and a huge number of women have entered it.
The decisive factor was that Universe Club was a “white” company—in other words, unusually fair and aboveboard.
At other dating clubs, the club advises members on allowance amounts, saying things like, “You should offer 5, you should offer 7, and you should offer 3.” You can’t expect a huge allowance, but it won’t fall too low either.
Universe Club, however, is serious about staying neutral and doesn’t get involved in allowances. As a result, allowances became increasingly polarized, leading to a massive number of “Carlos Ghosns.” This situation isn’t going to improve.
The most we can do is turn a Carlos Ghosn—an allowance of 5—into a Carlos Loan—an allowance of 6. We’re actually pretty close.
The big-name papa from Nagoya keeps telling me:
> “〇〇 always offered a flat 5, didn’t he? Stop it, you loser. Seriously, that’s not okay.”
So I expect this big shot to become Carlos Loan—flat 6—before long.
If that actually happens, I’ll quit being an answerer. I’m putting that on the record.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I don’t think anyone is actually in favor of suppressing allowances.
Each respondent has a different income and level of assets, so they’re simply sharing experiences based on their own circumstances.
Regardless of the going rate, I offer whatever allowance I feel I can comfortably afford for the relationship.
There’s no major problem with paying ¥100,000 or more on a pay-per-meeting basis for a one-time date, but if you ask whether I’d want to continue at that amount, the answer is definitely no.
That’s because I’m currently seeing a woman for ¥50,000 per meeting, and I don’t feel she’s worth paying twice what I’m currently giving her…
If I can no longer find women who are satisfied with ¥50,000 per meeting, and more of them start turning me down when I make that offer, that’s when I’d consider increasing the allowance.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
Sorry, I’m not the “Loser Guy.”
First, let’s think about what it means to say, “I’ll pay whatever allowance the woman asks for.”
For example, if a woman asks for 150,000 yen, would a man like that give 150,000 yen to anyone, regardless of who she is? Of course not. I think he considers whether he wants to date that particular woman for 150,000 yen, and then decides whether to proceed.
Is that really being generous? I think it’s simply a different approach from men who decide for themselves how much allowance they’re willing to offer.
For more men to pay the allowance women ask for, I think more women need to create enough anticipation and excitement to make men feel it’s worth it.
By the way, before joining Universe Club, I was also the type who paid whatever allowance a woman requested. I’ve paid six figures per meeting more times than I can count, and the highest I’ve paid was even seven figures.
However, I never felt satisfied that I was getting the kind of relationship I wanted in return, so I eventually settled on setting a fixed amount for the allowance I’m willing to offer. That said, even now, if a woman asked for 150,000 yen and I felt I wanted to date her badly enough to pay that amount, I probably would.
So, the reason things have ended up this way is probably that many men have come to think and feel the same way I do.