Sorry for posting so late. I’m a woman doing papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) who has experience with some dating clubs in Aoyama and Ginza.
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Lately, I’ve seen questions saying things like, “The men around me pay ¥300,000,” “¥50,000 is unheard of,” and “The most common range is ¥200,000.” To be honest, aren’t posts like those probably written by scouts…? I worry that innocent young women doing papa-katsu might believe them.
The reason I say this is that, just as Papuwa-sama pointed out, even at clubs in Aoyama and Ginza that market themselves as high-end, it’s simply not realistic for an ordinary office worker in her late twenties or early thirties to have an adult relationship (intimate) and routinely receive ¥200,000.
My assigned representative let it slip that the starting point is ¥50,000, with many women asking for ¥100,000 at most. I’ve heard similar things from men as well. In fact, when I happened to be placed in a better class because of my work history, all the women in that class were asking for ¥60,000–¥100,000, while around ¥150,000 was enough to make men shy away because it was considered too high (this is off the record since this isn’t prostitution, but…).
The exception would be women in the entertainment industry, where there’s probably no upper limit. But for an ordinary office worker in her late twenties or early thirties, I think the staff would stop her from asking for ¥200,000. She wouldn’t get any offers.
Maezawa from the CEO’s office here as well.
Thank you for your question.
> I assume the staff would stop an ordinary office worker in her early thirties from asking for ¥200,000. That’s why no offers come in.
Hmm? It sounds like you’ve never registered with Universe.
At Universe, we don’t ask about allowances or advise women on what to request, so there’s nothing for us to stop. Male members also aren’t told what allowance you want, so it doesn’t affect the number of offers you receive.
Besides, after a dinner date, what happens next is a private matter between the two people, so there’s no need to ask about your desired allowance in the first place.
In that sense, Universe is a very free club. Some women only do dinner dates. If the staff are telling women, “This is all you’re worth,” that would be insulting to women.
It’s not that ¥200,000 is standard for everyone. But since women can negotiate directly with men, it’s possible that ¥200,000 could become the norm for a particular woman.
Precisely because the club doesn’t get involved in allowances, there are dreams and possibilities when it comes to what you can receive. I’m not sure how someone becomes the kind of ordinary woman for whom ¥200,000 is standard, though.
If she were like “Bō-Korashi no Hotaru,” the woman who appears in *Hana no Keiji*, she might become one of a kind through her technique—and ¥200,000 could become the norm for her.
There may even be men who want to experience such heavenly technique and become addicted to it.
At that point, she wouldn’t exactly be an ordinary woman in her early thirties anymore. But if a woman can improve herself and meets a man who recognizes her value, it’s possible.
By the way—
If certain dating clubs in Aoyama or Ginza are even discussing allowances, wouldn’t that amount to facilitating prostitution and risk getting raided?
When they’re raided, I imagine the police might even question the members, which would make me too scared to join. Is that really okay?
I’m sure some members are unhappy that Universe doesn’t get involved in allowances. But if you want to operate without violating the law, you can’t get involved in allowances.
I suppose that although other dating clubs and Universe Club both call themselves dating clubs, Universe—which is essentially a dinner-date matching company—may operate differently from conventional dating clubs.
Wait, what were we talking about again?
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I’m Kamihikoki, a male member.
In the Kanto region, the upper end is in a completely different league from the provinces, but people seem much stricter about the lower end. The under-5 range in particular can feel downright cold.
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