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Oct 4, 2020 11:06
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I always enjoy reading this site. I’m Win, a friend of Mac’s. (I considered posting anonymously, but I thought people who know me—or know me through Mac’s columns—might recognize me, so I decided to introduce myself.) I’ve wanted to ask this question for a while, but I could never quite think of how to put it until now.
I mainly use apps and have met several hundred people over the past few years. I may have met more people than anyone else, though I suppose that also means I’ve had only the most superficial relationships with them.
Somewhere along the way, I developed what I call the “disappointing at 23” theory. Of all the people I’ve met, those who were 23 were overwhelmingly the most disappointing.
Compared with the imbalance between the youth and immaturity of people around 20, and the sense that those in their late twenties or early thirties who do papa-katsu have something substantial to offer, I feel that 23-year-olds tend to have a disconnect between how they evaluate themselves and how others evaluate them.
What is it like in dating clubs? I realize that saying “it depends on the person and their preferences” doesn’t really get us anywhere, but I’d appreciate your thoughts.
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Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
That’s a good question~ (Though this is entirely just my personal opinion…)
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member who has no experience with papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), either through apps or anywhere other than Universe Club.
At 18–21, are women at an age when their youth, firmness, and vitality alone naturally create the impression that they can succeed at papa-katsu?
And does a woman’s real life as a woman—and her papa-katsu—truly begin around the age of 22 or 23?
I think women continue to grow both as women and as people, so perhaps the difference is whether their self-awareness develops or whether they continue relying on the lingering effects of other people’s evaluations. Maybe that’s what you’re sensing?
Personally, whether through a dating club or otherwise, I think women around 22–25 are the ideal age to meet.
If she’s a wonderful woman, she’ll probably have met men in some form by then. At the same time, that may also be around the age when she first meets a truly attractive man. Outside a club, being able to share the excitement of all those new experiences and situations together is one of the most irresistible parts of it.
At a club, women around that age tend to be more experienced—having already overcome the hurdles of joining and getting involved in papa-katsu. But that experience can also bring a sense of happiness, so when it comes to club members, women around 23–26 are actually highly recommended.
Also, when you become deeply involved with women from their early 20s through their 30s, it can be rewarding to share their deeper concerns and build all kinds of relationships. I think that can lead to a long-lasting, wonderful connection as well.
When I think that, like Win, you’ve met so many women that perhaps they only let you get to know them on a surface level—and that women around 23 may have already developed a stronger sense of caution, making them come across that way even more—I feel it’s such a shame.
That said, I think our types are completely opposite, so you should probably keep going just as you are.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the president’s office here, and I’ll answer this one too.
Thank you for your question.
First, I think it depends on whether the age listed on the app is actually her real age.
If she’s giving a self-reported age, a woman who wants to present herself as highly desirable might lie about her age. But if she says she’s under 22, people may start asking, “Are you a student?”—which can become a hassle. So she may choose 23 instead, portraying herself as young without being a student.
If that’s the case, a woman who says she’s 23 is trying to present herself in the most favorable light possible, which creates a gap between expectations and reality. From the man’s perspective, that can understandably lead to disappointment.
On the other hand, if the app strictly verifies ages and she can’t misrepresent hers, then perhaps it’s simply because she’s in a transitional stage between:
- the imbalance of youth and immaturity seen in women around 20, and
- the sense that women in their late twenties or around 30 who do papa-katsu tend to have something of their own to offer.
Since she has neither quality yet, men may end up feeling disappointed.