I think the allowance amount depends entirely on the person you’re seeing. Trying to base it on what complete strangers say is missing the point.
In other words, just discuss it with the person involved.
I’d say the basic rule of thumb is the pay-per-meeting allowance multiplied by the number of days of the trip.
That said, if, as in your case, she was the one who invited you, or it’s somewhere she genuinely wants to visit too, I think it’s reasonable to reduce the allowance—or even skip it altogether.
I’ve had arrangements where I paid the allowance mentioned above, and others where we simply enjoyed the trip together without any allowance.
However, especially when there’s no allowance, I make sure to book at least business-class flights and the best hotel I can reasonably arrange.
If you can afford it, you should pay the full allowance described above. If not, I think it’s fine to discuss reducing it or not paying one at all. Ultimately, as others have said, it probably depends on your relationship with her and what the two of you agree on.
> How much allowance should I pay?
Wait, will you actually pay whatever amount I suggest?
If so, I feel that paying ¥100,000 per day × the number of days would generally avoid any complaints.
I say “generally” because if she usually gets ¥200,000 per meeting, you’d probably need to pay ¥200,000 × the number of days.
Conversely, if she normally gets ¥50,000 per meeting, ¥50,000 × the number of days might be enough to avoid complaints.
That said, you could also calculate it based on the number of nights together. For a seven-night, eight-day trip, for example, maybe seven times the usual allowance?
Still, I feel calculating it by the number of days would be less likely to cause dissatisfaction.
If she’s the one saying she wants to go—not just casually mentioning it, but actually pleading to go with you—then perhaps you wouldn’t need to offer that much allowance.
In that case, it might be best to simply ask her, “How much allowance would you like?”
If she wants to go that badly, asking about the allowance should be pretty easy.
I’ve never traveled with anyone. I do have overnight stays fairly often, but the allowance is always the usual pay-per-meeting amount.
If the woman is the one bringing up the idea of traveling, I think it would be fine to keep the allowance the same as usual. However, she may be suggesting it with the expectation that you’ll increase the allowance because the trip involves more days. You should discuss the terms carefully before deciding, so there won’t be any trouble.
Mac, I do stick to my position, and I’m sure all the women who continue seeing me would like me to increase their allowance. They just don’t say so because they know they’d be cut off immediately if they brought it up. They’ve also told me that they see other papas for 50k or more per meeting. I don’t know what terms they’ve agreed on, but it sounds like some get 50k while others get 70k.
So it’s not abuse—in fact, to them, someone like Mac, who provides generous support, is an ideal supporter.
In that sense, I’m the one treating them the worst.
I pay one allowance per overnight stay—specifically, 5...
Recently, a friend introduced me to a girl we now share. Since my friend’s policy is pay-per-meeting 30,000 yen, I have a girl who goes along with that, but when it came to a trip, I casually said 50,000 yen. She widened her eyes and asked, “Are you sure?”—which was cute. She’s 18 and had only just lost her virginity to her boyfriend in August.
Andy is adamant about keeping it at 30,000 yen, but I’m starting to think that showing girls like her a world where they can get 50,000, 80,000, or 100,000 yen is a kind of abuse in the opposite direction. It feels good as a papa, but maybe Andy’s and my friend’s more restrained approach is actually a good one.
By the way, I’m currently having udon for breakfast with the girl who stayed over last night. She’s a fourth-year university student, so she’s thinking of moving out of her parents’ place next year and living near me. I said I’d pay her rent, but she said that would feel wrong, so she’d pay half. Then I said, “In that case, you could have breakfast udon with me every morning.”
Maybe being a good papa isn’t just about how generously you pay.
After doing papa-katsu at Uni-ba for about ten years, I’ve come to think that supporting girls who are genuinely struggling with tuition or other expenses is a good thing. But I’m skeptical about getting girls who are already reasonably well-off hooked on allowances—not least because I’ve never seen a girl become happier as a result.
Making money can be addictive. The more you earn, the more you want, and that doesn’t necessarily lead to happiness. The same is true for men, right?
To all the wealthy papas out there: are you really happy? Maybe trying to make a girl happy when you aren’t happy yourself is impossible, because you can’t set a good example. Maybe all we’re doing is infecting them with the money-making bug—the idea that money is everything.
In that sense, we papas are pretty dirty people. You should all be more aware of that. We may be the superior species socially and economically, but that doesn’t make us righteous. We’re kind of like Trump.
If she invites me, I personally think a reasonable amount is one adult allowance per night.
If I’m the one doing the inviting, then two adult allowances per night.
I feel like traveling is most enjoyable with an A-type woman or a girl I met in the real world. Maybe it’s because of the way I usually handle things (or “train” them?), but I can’t just get them undressed or get physical with them on the spot, so I don’t think traveling together would be that much fun.
Anyway, today I’m going to Disneyland with an amazingly beautiful girl I met in the real world. The last time I went to Disney, something unbelievable happened six months ago—will something happen again today? lol
We’ve already established that she’s going to make me wear Mickey ears.
■Update
I’m going to jump in between Mac and Andy here.
In my case, the allowance varies enormously from girl to girl. What I really prioritize—or maybe what satisfies me—is how long the arrangement can continue. Whether the allowance is high or low doesn’t matter to me.
Generally speaking, the higher-paying arrangements tend to last longer. I’ve never had a low-paying arrangement last more than a year.
Wait, I didn’t really jump in between them at all, did I? lol
There is no such thing as a “going rate.”
I generally pay 3 on a pay-per-meeting basis, or 4 at most, so if a woman tried to impose the “going rate” mentioned on this forum, I’d cut ties with her immediately（笑).
“Going rate” is just a phrase people use to take a high-handed stance and argue the other person into submission. They simply believe that a certain amount is reasonable, then bolster their claim by making it sound like a general rule: “A friend who knows about this said it’s [amount],” or, referring to other men she’s already become intimate with, “Other men pay me [amount], too,” or “The respondents—or maybe even the staff—on the Universe Club forum said it’s [amount].”
After covering the travel expenses, meals, drinks, souvenirs, and everything else, is there even supposed to be an additional payment? If so, discuss it and decide how much together.
The amount you both agree on is the “going rate.”
The answers on this forum have also demonstrated that there is no universally reasonable “going rate” that applies to everyone!!
You should discuss it with her, I think. She probably expects to receive her allowance, after all.
As the other responders have suggested, a reasonable ballpark would be the usual pay-per-meeting allowance multiplied by the number of days.
You need to be quite close before going on a trip together. Sometimes you see someone’s true colors while traveling and lose interest, so Fuu personally wouldn’t go on a trip unless we were really close.
An overnight stay can still be enjoyable, though, so Fuu’s suggestion to women would be to limit it to one night ^_^
It depends entirely on the type of trip.
For example, if you travel to somewhere she wants to go and the trip costs ¥1 million, it might be fine even without an allowance.
If you’re not close enough to discuss things with her, isn’t it too soon to take a trip together?
If she brings it up, I think it’s best to quote the same allowance you usually offer.
Even with a B1-type woman, if the purpose is traveling together, I don’t think you need to worry about the allowance.
That’s because she may feel that an adult relationship (intimate) can happen anytime, anywhere under normal circumstances, so there’s no need to set aside time for it during an otherwise enjoyable trip.
In that case, there’s no need to bring up an unnecessary topic—it would only dampen the mood.
