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Based on the facts, what minimum annual income is recommended for male members at Universe so that both men and women can enjoy themselves?

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I’m actually a member of the club and have been participating, but seeing so many consecutive questions about allowances, I’ve started to feel that, compared with my own situation, I may be doing something beyond my means. In my case… I’m a salaried employee with an annual income of ¥13 million. My monthly take-home pay is ¥650,000 (excluding bonuses). My various living expenses come to about ¥350,000, leaving me with ¥300,000. For the woman’s allowance, I meet her twice a month and pay ¥50,000. Meals and hotels cost ¥45,000 × 2 = ¥90,000, and Universe’s introduction fee is ¥50,000–¥100,000, so I spend about ¥200,000 per month in total. I feel this is about my limit. There’s no way I could date multiple women—no, no, absolutely not! However, from the woman’s perspective, it works out to ¥25,000 per meeting, and based on the answers in this Q&A, that’s even below the going rate’s bottom end. So, honestly, I imagine she must be dissatisfied. In reality, I sometimes add to the allowance afterward depending on the affection she shows me, my own selfishness, and how long we spend together. But the base amount remains ¥25,000, which we agreed on. If it’s dinner only (no intimacy), I pay ¥10,000 (transportation is also a flat ¥10,000). Also, in the “mistress” assessment, when asked how much monthly support women want, around 10% said ¥100,000–¥200,000. There was even one person who boldly said ¥300,000 or ¥1 million, which I thought was crazy (lol). But when I compare that with my own situation, I realize I may really be doing something beyond my means… I’m in the Kanto area, but incomes are even lower in regional areas, so it must be difficult there. Married men must have it even harder. If I work backward from the allowance amounts commonly mentioned in the answers, my estimate is that a male member should have an annual income of at least ¥25 million. But wouldn’t people like that necessarily be executives at major companies or above, and therefore mostly 55 or older? Finally, I’m 40. People say I look like I’m in my late 30s. So I think I’m barely able to enjoy this, but I still feel that I’m one of the people at the very bottom and should step away on my own. Despite the amount of money I spend, the woman’s level of satisfaction seems low. Please forgive me for ending with a parting shot: “Isn’t the going rate way too high???”
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I’m Saito, a column writer♪ First of all, you can’t judge someone based on their annual income alone. Even if they earn ¥50 million a year… If it comes from FX, their take-home pay might be ¥40 million. If it comes from a company, it might be ¥25 million. The figures aren’t exact, but the difference is huge. And if they have a family, they probably have around ¥500,000 a month in spending money, right? Of course, I doubt all of that would be used for papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). Even among single men earning ¥10 million a year through FX—running everything through expenses and operating a company small enough not to attract the tax office—there are quite a few who swagger around and take their frustrations out on everyone else. I can understand the questioner’s feeling that “the going rate is way too high.” It’s common for women to ask for amounts comparable to what TV announcers at major networks or entertainers receive. Certainly, truly top-tier beauties command high prices. But beautiful women in the top tier are usually quite humble. The beautiful women in the second tier often have enormous pride. If you happen to meet someone in between, I think you can maintain a wonderful relationship. P.S. Some of the most demanding second-tier women have even appeared in adult videos for ¥50,000.
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Maezawa answers: > Based on the facts, what annual income would you recommend for a male member of Universe so that both men and women can enjoy themselves? I had vaguely thought that an annual income of at least ¥8 million would allow someone to enjoy it reasonably well. There are various factors involved, such as whether the man is single or married, whether he has children and is currently facing major child-related expenses, and so on. So even men with the same annual income may have very different amounts they can actually spend. Also, regarding the questioner’s living expenses of ¥350,000 per month: that seems reasonable given their annual income. However, for someone with a lower income—around the average annual salary—that amount may be close to their entire monthly income. They might wonder, “How can your entire income be the same as your living expenses?” Thinking about it that way, if spending time with women is something he truly enjoys, perhaps he could lower his living expenses further—say, to ¥200,000 or less per month. That makes me wonder whether he might actually have room to give the woman another ¥150,000 per month. Perhaps it isn’t that the amount is beyond his means; maybe he simply considers the amount he wants to pay the woman to be the current allowance. Of course, it’s perfectly natural to spend more on the things you personally value. However, I feel that’s somewhat different from saying that this amount is impossible on his annual income. Otherwise, someone earning ¥50 million a year could say, “My living expenses are ¥3 million a month, so I can’t enjoy a dating club at all.” But in reality, that isn’t the case. > The terms have been agreed upon with the women, and they haven’t changed. If the terms have been mutually agreed upon and neither side is dissatisfied, then that’s a good thing. The issue would be if the women were unhappy. If you’re both having an enjoyable time, then I don’t see a problem. Especially if you’re taking them to reasonably nice restaurants every time, that may be a positive factor on your side as well. (When someone takes women to family restaurants, for example, they tend to receive negative feedback.) If the questioner himself is a stylish, attractive man who is popular with women, it’s also possible that the women feel, “I’m fine with this allowance for someone like him.” (In other words, they aren’t dissatisfied.) Since this involves people dealing with one another, how you’re evaluated in ways other than the allowance is also important. I think the overall combination of these factors determines whether a woman becomes dissatisfied. If the relationships continue for a long time, I’d assume the women aren’t unhappy with the arrangement. On the other hand, if the relationships often end after a few months, it’s reasonable to conclude that the women may have been dissatisfied. The allowance is important, but it isn’t everything. I’m glad when someone can make up for that in other ways and genuinely considers the woman’s feelings. That said, it would be even better to show some consideration by checking from time to time whether she has any complaints.
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