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Oct 13, 2022 10:13
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Thank you all for your answers.
Joe,
Thank you for explaining your reasons.
I wasn’t angry. Maybe my wording came across as harsh.
I asked here because I thought that on a Q&A site, people would answer calmly without getting angry.
> Perhaps the main reason is that they want to keep the allowance low.
So you mean the allowance I offer might be an amount that puts too much strain on that person. If that’s the case, I wish they would just say so, though I suppose there may be various reasons behind it.
I also think it’s important to be open-minded. I’ll keep working on that.
Dateyume,
Sometimes the transportation costs are given all together at the end, while other times I receive them as soon as we sit down, followed by the additional amount later. The timing varies, but the wording about transportation costs has disappeared from the rules visible to women, and even before that, it had been changed from a rule to a request. So I don’t think reporting someone or reminding them is appropriate.
Kazu,
I’m sorry for asking a question that could invite people to pick a fight.
I’m sure you would answer calmly, but some people make snide remarks or shout. I don’t feel it’s worth enduring that stress or putting myself in the public eye for around 10,000 yen. And, as Fuu pointed out, I also feel it would be a shame to eliminate the possibility of continuing the relationship, so I can’t ask the people themselves.
That’s why I asked here, hoping for straightforward answers.
Dai,
Thank you for explaining your reasons. It was helpful.
> If the allowance is 50,000 yen for the second meeting, wouldn’t you feel dissatisfied if it were reduced?
Personally, since it would be the amount we agreed on, I wouldn’t see it as a reduction or have any reason to be dissatisfied. But I suppose there are women who feel differently.
> By the way, I gave the allowance once recently according to the pattern above, but I didn’t receive any particular thanks.
Perhaps she thought it was simply expected, but it seems to me that a man’s response may also depend on how the woman reacts in situations like that.
Do you mean ordinary thanks weren’t enough?
Sorry to keep asking, but what kind of reaction would make you feel that giving the allowance was worthwhile, Dai? If you don’t mind, I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts.
Seattle,
Thank you for explaining your reasons.
So your approach is to consider the total amount for the day. That’s helpful to know. I appreciate it when this is clearly stated during the negotiation.
Fuu,
> It’s a matter of sacrificing a little now for greater gains later.
> Either you make an issue of the transportation costs for one meeting and part ways,
> or you continue seeing each other.
> Even if it’s only implicit, continuing for a year would bring the total allowance to a fairly substantial amount.
I have enough common sense to understand that much, so of course I’m not going to say it to the people themselves.
I wanted to know the reason, not hear a sarcastic remark, so I’m disappointed.
Early,
> If the transportation costs weren’t given upfront this time, or if he offered them only after the adult relationship, I wouldn’t consider such a papa very gentlemanly.
It happens even when they do give them upfront, so the most confusing situation is when they say, “Here’s the additional amount,” after the adult relationship. But men are also rated on Universe, and if many women feel the same way, such behavior will naturally be weeded out. If not, I suppose I’m in the minority.
It was also helpful to hear why you give the allowance and transportation costs separately. Thank you.
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A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, and I’m sorry for taking so long to respond.
It’s not that a standard thank-you isn’t enough—I just want him to properly realize what happened and acknowledge it.
As you said, if you agree on an allowance of 50, I think there are quite a few men, myself included, who would give you 50 including transportation costs.
In this case, though, you received 10 for transportation plus an allowance of 50.
You should express your gratitude in a way that shows you understand this isn’t something you’re automatically entitled to.
Then, if you add something like, “From next time, the agreed-upon 50 alone is perfectly fine,” the man will also feel good knowing he gave it to you.
I think showing gratitude isn’t about using a stock phrase—it’s about thoughtfully acknowledging each individual thing someone has done for you.
When someone does something beyond what’s expected and you don’t mention it at all, don’t you think they’ll stop surprising you in the future?
👨 Male
Universe member
That’s a thoughtful and well-written answer(笑)
Anyway, I’ve only actually met three women through the dating club (Universe), but I gave each of them their transportation money at the beginning of our first dinner.
The transportation money is important, but what matters most is maintaining an ongoing relationship.
I believe the level of commitment among the male members of dating clubs is very high. In this case, the woman I’m seeing understands that well and says she’ll leave the club once our relationship ends.
It may sound funny coming from someone who’s been seeing her for four years, but I think that’s a perfectly reasonable decision(笑)
There are all kinds of relationships in the world, and I’m sure there are quite a few male members who, if they find someone reasonably attractive, would be happy to continue seeing her for a long time.
I hope you meet someone like that and develop a stable relationship.
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スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
You may be right—the reason could simply be that he wants to save 10,000 yen. I guess it comes down to supply and demand.
I probably shouldn’t worry about the 10,000-yen difference. If he’s a good person, I’ll continue; if not, I’ll end it. I think I should decide based on whether I want to keep seeing him.
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お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
> Why is the transportation fee included in the allowance for the first meeting?
For men who joined about six years ago, they were told that the transportation fee could be given at any time during the date, so I think many men back then simply included it in the allowance.
However, most of the men currently in the club joined after that. When they joined, they were told to give the transportation fee as soon as they met.
Even after receiving that explanation, choosing not to give the transportation fee and including it in the allowance instead probably comes down to the petty desire to avoid paying it separately if they can.
Come to think of it, one man said that if he had to hand it over immediately after meeting, he couldn’t give ¥10,000 to women he liked and ¥5,000 to women he didn’t like as much. It does make me wonder whether he actually gives the allowance and transportation fee separately.
I assume he does, of course, and that he ends things after dinner with the women he gives ¥5,000 to.
Still, I suspect some men may be including the transportation fee in the allowance at the end.
That said, when you meet again after the first time, the club’s transportation-fee rule no longer applies, and in many cases the allowance stays the same. So regarding the transportation fee for the first meeting, it may be best to use it as an indicator of whether a man is stingy, but continue seeing him without saying anything, since that may be more advantageous overall.
Of course, if a better man comes along, the usual approach would be to stop seeing the man who didn’t give you the transportation fee separately at the first meeting.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
Personally, I consider the transportation fee a token of appreciation for coming to have a meal with someone you don’t even know yet—not a deposit or advance payment. It’s separate from the allowance, so I hand it over once we sit down.
I believe the arrangement officially starts once both parties agree to date, and the allowance applies from that point onward.
Men who include transportation in the allowance are, in the end, treating it as an advance payment. That seems like something anyone could easily infer, so I wasn’t sure what you were really asking.
Also, whether that assumption is correct or not is something only the person involved would know; there’s no point asking someone else. That’s why I answered, “Why don’t you ask him directly?”
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Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
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会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
> Why is transportation for the first meeting included in the allowance?
There are quite a few men who want to see women who aren’t overly focused on money. It’s also a way for them to assess you.
Likewise, some men don’t want to see women who will only date them if they’re satisfied with the allowance.
Ideally, papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) should be natural: you spend time with someone you genuinely enjoy, and receive an allowance as well. Being too fixated on money won’t do you any good.