Tips Dec 21, 2021 01:24

A man agreed with me on the allowance amount, took me to a hotel, and then lowered the amount afterward, saying, “Because you didn’t do this or that.” When I objected, he even called me cheeky and said he didn’t want to give me the allowance! I apologized and somehow managed to receive it, but I’m so angry at how stingy he was. In a situation like this, contacting the club would probably be considered arranging something outside the club’s involvement, so I thought they wouldn’t support me. Was that the right judgment? By the way, this man apparently wanted to take photos without showing his face and do it without protection.

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Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m column writer Fuu. Sounds like you ended up meeting someone unpleasant. Please make sure to give the club detailed feedback so other female members don’t have to go through the same thing. This is definitely a case for ending things immediately. Here’s a story about someone Fuu met through the club. We agreed on the amount for going to a room, so we went. Once we were in bed, she held out her hand and said: “How much extra if you want me to go down on you?” Then: “How much extra if you want to have sex?” “And if it’s without protection, how much more?” (Laughs) An extra-charge system after the fact?! It was a total turn-off, so we called it quits immediately, and I sent her home. I felt bad thinking another papa might get caught off guard by this extra-charge system (laughs), so I gave the club detailed feedback about what happened. There are all kinds of people out there. Just chalk it up to bad luck and move on to the next one.
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This is Nana Ayase☆ Questioner, I hope you haven’t gone through with seeing him under those terms. Who would agree to conditions like that? Anyone would be uncomfortable with them. If you’ve already met many times, the allowance is good, and you’re okay with it, then I suppose it might be fine to accept. But a man like that is definitely seeing other women without protection. I’m sure he already has something, and he’ll inevitably end up with something down the line. I don’t want to catch anything. Please leave negative feedback and report him to the staff for now.
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お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
Maezawa from the President’s Office here. I think contracts are commonly used because there have always been people who say things like, “The terms were different, so I’m not paying.” There are no contracts in an adult relationship (intimate), and even if you make one, it would be legally invalid. Still, as long as both parties are adults, I believe they should keep their promises. In this case, I think the man should have paid the amount he said he would. That said, it also depends on what “because you didn’t do this” actually means. To take an extreme example: “Let’s go to a hotel” → “We agreed on ¥X” → They went to the hotel, but then she said, “I only said I’d go to the hotel, so I’m not having sex. I’m not taking my clothes off.” In that situation, strictly speaking, the agreement was that she would receive ¥X simply for going to the hotel, so it may sound as though she was in the right for saying she wasn’t paid. However, most people would interpret “Let’s go to a hotel” as implying sex, so I can’t help thinking, “Wouldn’t it be expected that she wouldn’t get paid?” That was an extreme example, but even if it were something a little different, such as: “Sex is fine, but only penetration.” “Don’t touch me.” “I’ll take off my bottoms, but not my top.” In cases like that, the woman may feel that she had sex and therefore deserves her allowance. But from the man’s perspective, it’s understandable if he feels, “That wasn’t what I wanted.” If the allowance was reduced this time because she couldn’t be filmed without showing her face, or because she couldn’t have unprotected sex, then I think the man was clearly in the wrong. He should have paid the agreed amount. However, the club can’t get involved in the details of what happened. The most we can really say is that he should pay the amount he promised. I doubt she’ll meet this man again, so even if nothing can be done, I hope she’ll at least leave feedback. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to give him −2 in every category. (Otherwise, the man’s ratings are calculated from all the individual categories. For example, if you give him +2 for being well-groomed, it becomes +2−2, resulting in an overall score of 0 rather than a negative rating.)
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🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m a male member—and definitely the one who got played. I’ve had the opposite happen, though. We agreed on 13, and after I handed over the allowance upfront on the day of our adult date, she told me: “I don’t do kissing…” We still enjoyed the day, but when I messaged her on LINE the next day to say I didn’t want to continue seeing each other, she replied: “Kissing is fine next time♡ In fact, I’d love to do a lot of it.”
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A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Dai, a male member. If you’re upset with him, give him the lowest rating on the survey and report exactly what happened to the club. I believe the men’s club rating system was introduced for cases like this. Unfortunately, since you’ve already received your allowance, it may be difficult for the club to do anything further.
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Unprotected sex, for example… The people who can’t take responsibility are always the ones who act like it’s perfectly normal. Some even say they can’t finish if they wear one, and others pressure you while insisting that they’re safe. But as long as you’re involved with a dating club, you can’t say anyone is completely safe. Men this immature? Goodbye. Akari
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紙ひこうき
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
As for Paper Airplane, who goes to a hotel without deciding on the allowance first: In cases like this, I think it’s better to agree on the terms beforehand. That said, ultimately, I feel it’s best to decide after both parties have felt each other out…
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