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Sep 5, 2021 13:50
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For the first meeting, I don’t invite them to an adult relationship (intimate). Instead, I take them to a restaurant that’s popular with women, give them 50,000 yen for transportation, then offer an allowance of 100,000 yen or more for an adult relationship (intimate) at the end, and wrap things up within three hours.
The women send me thank-you emails, but I never hear back after that, and things naturally fizzle out. I’ve made offers to more than 10 Black B women, but I haven’t managed to turn a single one into a second meeting.
For reference, my success rates with other classes are 100% with Black C and Platinum C, over 80% with Platinum B, and over 50% with Gold B and C (including cases where I declined because the conversation didn’t click). With Black B, I’ve started to suspect it might be some kind of dating scam, but since many of my preferred types are Black B women, I’d really like to make these relationships work.
Could you tell me the secret to success?
Also, is it okay to contact and approach a woman again after she has turned me down once?
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Flag Maker, a columnist.
Black-B men who receive a flood of offers can be pretty problematic. Since these wealthy men all offer large sums for dinner dates or adult relationships, it can drive up the going rate for adult allowances—or make it possible to get by on dates without intimacy at all.
Honestly, it’s a real headache. Personally, I think men like the questioner who operate at the Black level are the ones at fault, lol.
My advice would be to either offer a higher allowance or highlight benefits of the relationship beyond the allowance.
いっつ・みぃ
Male
Send a reverse offer to this responder
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Other
It’s me.
If you don’t reply to a woman’s thank-you email, the chances of things ending there go up, don’t they? You’re throwing away the opening she gave you to message her.
I don’t pay much attention to the dating type or profile information, and I care even less about the class category. If you form a bias before meeting someone, you may stop seeing what’s really there, and your judgment and actions can become hesitant. Most women start a date knowing absolutely nothing about the man beforehand. If the man has far too much information about her, it can also make it harder for the conversation to flow naturally.
I just want to listen to the woman talk, share a reasonable amount about myself, and enjoy the conversation. That’s about all I think about. So naturally, there are women I don’t click with and women I have great chemistry with.
I think women have all kinds of values, too. Some prioritize the allowance or how much time they’ll be expected to spend, while others care more about whether they can enjoy the conversation or whether the man replies to their thank-you email. I think the fact that there’s no single right answer is part of the fun.
As for your final question, once you’ve been turned down, it’s game over. I’d see it as a chance to look elsewhere and find success♪( ´▽`)
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
I’m Maezawa from the CEO’s office, and I’ll answer this as well.
If you’ve met with more than ten women and haven’t been able to arrange a second meeting with even one of them, then clearly, there’s a problem on your end.
This isn’t an issue of transportation costs or the allowance. It means they wouldn’t want to see you again no matter how much they were offered, which is pretty serious.
It sounds like things are going well with Platinum women, but even including C-rank women, a 50% success rate with Gold women seems far too low.
For that reason, I think you should take a close look at yourself and reassess.
That said, it’s difficult to see your own flaws, so it would be good if you had someone who could point them out. But there’s no benefit to criticizing someone else—only the risk of being disliked—so most people won’t say anything.
I’d probably tell you myself, but there don’t seem to be many people who can be that direct.
You should try to find someone who will give you honest feedback. If there’s a woman you’ve been seeing for more than a year, I suggest asking her.
Even if she doesn’t tell you outright, she’ll probably be able to give you some hints.
Common issues include:
- Conversation during meals isn’t enjoyable because you only talk about adult relationships (intimate arrangements)
- You lack a sense of cleanliness or grooming; sometimes it may also be an issue with your weight or appearance
- You’re rude or overbearing toward restaurant staff or other people
So first, check whether you’re making the other person enjoy the conversation, whether the conversation is lively, and whether you speak respectfully to restaurant staff and everyone else.
Also, regarding the allowance, instead of arbitrarily deciding on 100, why not ask her what amount she would be comfortable with?
I think it’s important to approach everything with the mindset of working things out together.
Above all, pay close attention to her subtle expressions, and if you’re unsure, I think it’s better to ask.
People who are popular with women can probably sense how the other person feels without having to ask. But in your case, I think you’d be better off moving forward while checking in with her directly.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member, Paper Airplane.
I completely understand how you feel. Black B is mysterious, isn’t it? Almost to the point of being enigmatic… But that also means they’re that attractive, right?
> For the first meeting, I don’t invite her to an adult relationship (intimate). We have dinner at a restaurant women tend to like, I give her 50,000 yen for transportation, then at the end I offer an allowance of at least 100,000 yen for an adult relationship (intimate), and we part ways within three hours.
From the woman’s perspective, there’s far too little benefit in meeting again under those terms.
Women in Black B may receive hundreds of thousands of yen even for dinner only (no intimacy). If she assumes that every meeting after the first will involve an adult relationship (intimate), I think there’s little reason for her to continue meeting you unless she’s more of a C-type girl.
If she’s popular and has already earned a decent amount, having an adult relationship (intimate) every time can feel like a burden. Sometimes she’s perfectly happy with an allowance for dinner only (no intimacy), and that’s enough for her.
I think you should save the 40,000–50,000 yen for dinner only (no intimacy) for when you’re an old man. Even with someone in Black B, 20,000 yen or less should be sufficient.
Also, there’s a good chance she’s already been taken to expensive restaurants so often that they’ve lost their appeal.
The more popular a girl is, the more likely she is to want things besides money.
If you can offer her what she’s really looking for, she may naturally take things in that direction herself without you having to invite her to an adult relationship (intimate). That’s probably what Black B is like.
Once she begins to value the fact that the allowance is “not just about money,” the exact amount of the allowance becomes less important.
I think it’s also important for you to create an atmosphere where she wants to keep seeing you even if the allowance is half of what you mentioned.
If you can do that, she’ll probably come to think, “Black B really is great after all.”
Other
I’m Ayase Nana ♡
Whether he’s Black, Platinum, or Gold, if you want to date him, I don’t recommend thinking in terms of a “batting average.” This isn’t baseball...
I don’t think the key to success differs between B and C, but especially with B, if you feel even slightly that someone isn’t for you, an adult relationship (intimate) probably won’t work.
There are times when I turn someone down even with C. Did you say something that was a dealbreaker? Maybe you pushed too hard about an adult relationship?
After you part ways, try asking by LINE or another messaging app, “Would you be interested in having an adult relationship (intimate) with me?”
At first, don’t offer too much for transportation expenses—just the usual amount...
If you offer too much, he may start thinking you’ll be intense during an adult relationship (intimate), and then it’s over.
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a losing male member who’s never been turned down by a B, yet keeps getting rejected by Cs.
*If anything, I’m the one who feels uncomfortable with Cs.*
I occasionally make offers to As and Cs too, but I’m basically B-focused. My main target is especially the B types who lean toward black-label A.
As a basic rule when it comes to winning over Bs, you’ll be treated like an easy mark if you don’t make a clear distinction between the allowance for dinner and the allowance for an adult relationship (intimate). If you offer 50,000 yen just for dinner, they can make a decent amount simply by having meals with you.
Try setting the dinner allowance at 30,000 yen or less, choosing a slightly cheaper restaurant, and making the allowance for an adult relationship 100,000 yen or more.
Also, this is just speculation, but maybe your allowance is coming across as nothing more than money. The higher the amount, the more important it is to offer it in a way that doesn’t feel like you’re simply handing over cash.
That’s to avoid stepping on the landmine of:
“I’m not the kind of woman who gets intimate for money.”
So during dinner, try to find something that could genuinely contribute to her life and use that as your opening. Make it clear that it’s not an allowance for an adult relationship, but rather support for her life. With B types in particular, I make a point of emphasizing that aspect.
Especially when dealing with a black-label B, I personally feel that making money not look like money is an essential skill for a papa (a male supporter), so I’m constantly studying and experimenting.
I could be completely off the mark, though. (汗)
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member, Dai.
If you’ve been able to have an adult relationship with 80% of the women as a Platinum B-type member, I imagine your allowance has played a major role.
Why not ask the women you’ve dated whether they would still have dated you if the allowance had been less than 10?
In my experience, women who receive generous allowances don’t seem to choose their partners based solely on the amount.
For reference, I’ve been able to have an adult relationship with about 40% of B-type women, but it has nothing to do with the class.
My allowance is about half of what you’re offering.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
Allow me, as a male member named Kazu, to answer this question despite being junior to the previous respondent.
Referring to women in terms of a “batting average” is disrespectful.
A few years ago, Kida wrote something very insightful:
https://universe-club.jp/help/questions/view/22
Offering more for transportation costs could also backfire, depending on the questioner’s attitude and how the woman perceives it. I think transportation money and allowance shouldn’t be either too much or too little.
As Kida said in the answer above, the key is to put yourself in the other person’s shoes.
With that in mind, I don’t think you should contact and approach a woman again after she’s turned you down. If she later feels she would have liked the allowance for an adult relationship, she’ll get in touch with you herself.
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m in Seattle.
Maybe you’re not reaching out and inviting them yourself?
Black women probably have a lot of competition, so nothing may happen if you just wait around.