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Jun 17, 2021 06:24
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But most of them didn’t mention an allowance at all and then either tried to take me to a hotel or asked me out on a second date, which has left me feeling uneasy.
Of course, there are some people I clicked with and would like to see again, but since we haven’t discussed an allowance, I’m not sure what to do… Sorry for the long introduction. My question is: If I bring up the subject of an allowance myself, will I come across as too aggressive?
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I’m Nana Ayase, a female member ♡
When you meet for the first time and he doesn’t ask you anything, even though everyone asks Nana Ayase, and says he’ll take you somewhere without telling you where—are you being kidnapped? (sweat)
If he says, “Let’s go,” just smile and ask, “Where to?” He may simply think you’re a bit clueless.
If he says “a hotel,” and you’re okay with that, I think you should discuss the terms of the arrangement.
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Basil, a male member.
Are you a Type B?
In principle, anyone who tries to go straight to a hotel is out of the question. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, they may intend to clearly state the amount and pay while heading to the room—but they may also be the type who gets a sense of self-satisfaction from thinking they managed to win over a Type B on the first meeting without relying on money.
I sometimes invite someone to meet a second time without discussing the allowance for moving on to an adult relationship. If a woman gives off the impression that she wants to get to know each other well before becoming intimate, I don’t bring up anything about an adult relationship on the first meeting, including the allowance. When I invite her to become intimate from the second meeting onward, I’ll state the amount.
That said, I do mention when inviting her a second time that I’ll cover something equivalent to her transportation expenses for the first meeting, so it’s not as though I avoid discussing the allowance altogether.
Since this is a relationship based on money, I don’t think a woman is being overly pushy if she brings up the allowance when discussing future meetings—not immediately upon meeting, of course.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the executive office will answer this one as well.
> Will I come across as too money-minded just for bringing up the allowance myself?
In most cases, the man will probably try to take things to a hotel, so if he says something vague like:
“Can you go somewhere afterward?”
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask him to be specific, such as:
“Where exactly do you mean?”
If he asks:
“Can you go to a hotel afterward?”
then it’s only natural to ask something like:
“What would the terms of the arrangement be?”
No one would think you were being too aggressive.
If a man does think that makes you too money-minded, then I’d say there’s something wrong with him.
Some men might be surprised if you bring up the allowance when they haven’t even invited you to a hotel. But if he has made the invitation, it isn’t strange at all, so I think it’s better to ask at that point to avoid trouble.
In the first place, what does a man intend to do if he takes a woman to a hotel without discussing the allowance, and then afterward she says, “I want one million yen”?
Would he say he didn’t realize money was involved because they hadn’t discussed the allowance? Or is he planning to just hand over whatever amount he had in mind and call it settled?
Maybe he intends to negotiate after the fact. But if the woman says she won’t agree to anything less than one million yen, is he prepared to pay the full amount?
Are men who go to a hotel without discussing the allowance simply being incredibly naïve, or do they have more money than they know what to do with?
Or are they arrogantly assuming they’ll be fine even if she says, “I’m going to report you for forced sexual intercourse”?
Don’t wait until you’re arrested and end up regretting it.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member.
You’re a Type C, right?
If so, it’s okay to bring it up. Just be aware that you may come across as too eager.
I think some men won’t mind, while others will.
If you’re satisfied with the allowance you’re currently receiving, it’s probably wiser not to bring it up yourself. But if it feels too low, I think you should start telling them the amount you’re hoping for.
P.S.
> Maybe she intends to negotiate after the fact, but if the woman says she won’t agree to anything less than one million yen, are you prepared to pay that amount?
That’s an important point. If the arrangement is to be settled afterward, the man needs to be prepared for that. A deal is only成立 when both parties agree, so one side can’t decide everything on their own.
If it’s decided afterward, the woman can say, “Given what happened, I won’t accept anything less than one million yen,” depending on how well you hit it off. Likewise, the man may choose to pay more if the chemistry is good.
Ideally, both people should first get a sense of their chemistry before deciding what amount feels fair. Making the decision in advance without knowing whether you’ll click can actually be quite unreasonable.
That said, if there’s no real sense of security or you’ve only just met, then regardless of gender, exchanging the allowance upfront is essential. Especially if you aren’t prepared to the extent Mr. Maezawa describes, settling things afterward is out of the question.
With all that in mind, I think the ideal form of papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) isn’t a job, sex work, or simply being a dinner companion. Ideally, neither person would have to bring up money—or even discuss the terms at all, if possible—and both could continue enjoying each other’s company naturally and without stress.