Tips Mar 6, 2021 13:01

Her expression changed the moment I offered an allowance of 50,000 yen.

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I’m a Black member. While having dinner with a Black woman I’d made an offer to, the subject of the allowance came up. The moment I suggested “50,000 yen per pay-per-meeting once a week, for 200,000 yen a month,” her expression clouded over. After that, I invited her back to my apartment, and we entered into an adult relationship (intimate), but throughout, she seemed distracted, and I felt like she wasn’t really putting in any effort. Personally, she’s exactly my type, both in terms of her appearance and personality, so I’d like to continue seeing her. But was my offer considered very low-paying for a Black woman? I’ve made offers to three women through the club before and had dinner with them, but I didn’t click with any of them, so we parted ways that night. She’s the first woman I’ve felt I’d like to see long-term. This is my first time using a dating club, so I don’t know what the going rate is. However, 200,000 yen a month is the most I can afford financially. I’m not interested in having relationships with multiple women. I’d like to continue seeing her regularly for one or two years. I’d appreciate advice from both men and women.
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紙ひこうき
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Hikōki, a male member. > I’ve made offers to three women through the club and met them for dinner, but I didn’t click with any of them, so we parted ways right there. > This is the first woman I’ve met whom I’ve wanted to see long-term. You made offers based on your own preferences, then ended things because you didn’t click. Unless you change that, women won’t be happy to continue seeing you. After all, they aren’t choosing you based on their own preferences or anything like that. Only wanting to continue with the women you happen to especially like is overly self-serving, and your usual behavior will show through. First, learn to conduct yourself in a way that makes the other person want exactly what you’re hoping for. If you make an offer based on your own preferences, it’s almost impossible that you and that woman simply won’t click. From the man’s perspective, he chose her thinking she was exactly his type, after all.
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前澤(スタッフ)
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🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
Maezawa from the president’s office will answer as well. Thank you for your question. The previous message board was discontinued because male members would assume that women’s allowances were set at certain amounts depending on their class. People who read those posts later would then think, “So that amount is enough?”—and more women began accepting those amounts. At the time, the posts said that Black-class women received an allowance of ¥100,000 per meeting. In that sense, the “5” you offered was lower than the amount mentioned on the board, so that may be why her expression fell. However, if she continued meeting you after the second date, then she was satisfied with that amount. If she stopped meeting you after the second or third date, it means she was dissatisfied with the allowance, and you will likely never see her again. When a woman cuts off contact after the third date, she may meet for the second time thinking, “Maybe he’ll realize what I’m hoping for.” But if the allowance is still lower than she wants, she stops replying after the third date. From your question, it sounds like you like this woman. If so, I think you should ask her on your next date how much allowance she had actually hoped for. If she says that the current allowance is fine, you can continue seeing her with peace of mind. > However, ¥200,000 a month is the most I can afford financially. If she wanted more, one option would be to reduce the number of meetings. If you met twice a month, you could offer ¥100,000 on a pay-per-meeting basis. If you don’t want someone you can’t meet every week, there are probably other women who would be happy with the amount you can offer, so I think you should look elsewhere. > Her expression fell. There may have been another reason for that. For example, perhaps you discussed the allowance loudly enough for people at the next table to hear, or openly discussed it when a server was nearby. In situations like that, it would be natural for her expression to fall. > I’d like to continue seeing her regularly for another year or two. If you feel that the allowance was too low, you might want to increase it yourself before losing touch with her and regretting it. But as I mentioned above, I think it would be better to find out how much she actually wanted.
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フラグメーカー
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Column Writer Flagmaker. Isn’t it probably this? The woman may have felt that 200,000 yen a month was too low for what you’d offer a Black-tier woman at the first meeting. Promising 200,000 yen a month for meeting once a week before you even know anything about her takes quite a bit of nerve, if you ask me. Over a year, that’s 48 meetings where you’d be expected to do it. For a woman who isn’t particularly into sex in the first place, that would be pretty tough. If I were a woman, I wouldn’t like it. The whole point of being in a dating club is being able to assess people. If he seemed like an amazing guy, I might say okay, but if I didn’t know him yet, I’d probably react with either, “Uh, hold on,” or, “What!?”
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Did you invite her to your apartment right from the start? And since 50,000 yen pay-per-meeting every week is a bit much, perhaps she agreed once despite looking somewhat unhappy. If she had no other offers—or if it was her first offer—she might accept. But if someone else offered the same 50,000 yen per meeting, she’d probably prefer a luxury hotel, and if someone offered more, she might shift to them. Of course, she may like you as a person and continue seeing you, but the fact that her expression clouded over concerns me. I hope you’re able to make plans for your next date. Marika
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カズ
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member. I think asking other people about the appropriate allowance is pointless. That’s something only the people involved can know. After meeting just once, she probably hasn’t made up her mind yet either. You should discuss it with her. When you felt her expression cloud over, you should have asked how she felt. Also, it’s fine to say that you’d like to meet once a week or continue seeing each other for one or two years, but I don’t think it’s right to impose those expectations on her. She has her own schedule and her own thoughts about how much she’d like to receive each month. After seeing how things go for a while and considering various factors, such as whether she feels comfortable with you, she’ll decide how she wants to continue seeing you. In general, I don’t think women tend to like pushy men. I understand wanting to rely on the going rate since this is your first time, but there’s really no such thing as a fixed market rate. A budget of 200,000 yen should be more than enough, so talk it over with her. If she wants 70,000 yen per pay-per-meeting arrangement, you could meet three times a month; if she wants 100,000 yen each time, you could meet twice a month. P.S. I skipped over this at first, but as the other respondents have mentioned, inviting her to your apartment is probably not a good idea.
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