Tips Feb 9, 2021 14:41

I’m the one who asked earlier as a natural-born papa-katsu woman. Thank you all for your answers. As I expected, there really are many women who can enjoy papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) rather than finding it painful.

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A man named Taro pointed out that I might be “looking down on other people,” but that wasn’t my intention at all. The fact remains that I lie to my papas (a male supporter)—I put all my effort into playing the role of a pure woman who is seeing only them—but I simply intend to play the part to the very end and take that lie to my grave. I’ve never thought, “They’re so easy!” Are there many people like Taro who are suspicious of papa-katsu women, or harbor a slight sense of disgust toward them? Are there really many men who look at women that way, thinking, “This one probably thinks papas are easy to fool too”? It made me very sad. If possible, could you tell me how papa-katsu women should deal with men like that?
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It’s been a while since my last BB7. This is exactly why people call you shitty and feel disgusted by what you say: “Even though I must be lying to so many papas (they all think they’re the only one I’m seeing), somehow every one of them seems happy. They tell me how glad they are to have met me, and I don’t feel guilty at all about what I’m doing.” The way to deal with it? Keep honing your lies and acting skills, and aim to become the greatest con artist of all time.
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I’m Taro, a male member. Sorry for causing a stir (lol). First of all, I’m sorry about yesterday’s answer. I was stunned when I reread it myself. Regardless of the point I was trying to make, the wording and that strange burst of energy were honestly kind of creepy, even to me. Bringing someone up first and then knocking them down was pretty mean, too. I often answer in what I call “Drunken Boxing mode,” but this time I genuinely realized that getting heavily drunk late at night is not a good idea. I’m truly sorry. Simply apologizing and leaving it at that wouldn’t be very satisfying, so I’ll explain myself a little. First, it’s true that I had negative feelings, and Kazu’s explanation was 100% on point. I did think, “You didn’t really need to write that,” but at the same time, I figured she probably really wanted to say it. My impression was that, based on the premise that “papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) means lying to your papa (a male supporter), making him feel good, and earning money,” she wanted to say how amazing she was for managing to do all that enjoyably, without anything unpleasant happening to her. Sorry for putting it so bluntly. I understand that people have all kinds of values, and that this isn’t a place for criticizing the questioner’s values. At the same time, some people occasionally use a question as a way to state their own opinions. It gets even more complicated when someone deliberately treats their own opinion as an unspoken premise, asks it as a “question,” and avoids any counterarguments that way. Of course, I’m sure it often isn’t intentional, and there’s also something to be said for simply handling things maturely. But if it’s left alone, I sometimes feel like the atmosphere here gradually starts to warp, so when I get that impression, I comment on it. I got the same feeling from the format of last night’s question, so I reacted. (I sense a slight hint of that in the opening sentence of today’s question, too.) Yesterday’s question was, “Are there other women like me?” but I never actually answered it. So, to answer it now: I think there are a certain number of women like the questioner. However, I think very few are as knowingly calculating as she is while also managing to produce results. There may be somewhat more in the nightlife industry, but I think dating clubs have more ordinary women. Come to think of it, yesterday it was “Are there people like me?” but today it suddenly became something like “Speaking on behalf of women who do papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan)” (lol). Looking closely, she’s declaring in the opening sentence that she has proven herself to be in the majority. I see—pretty cleverly done. I’ve gone off on a tangent. Now, on to my answer to today’s question. First of all, I myself don’t view women who do papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) with suspicion or hostility. I don’t like the kind of values the questioner has, but I don’t deny that such values exist. I simply wouldn’t choose someone like that, and I wouldn’t want to deal with her either. In that sense, I’d prefer people like that to leave a brief, telling comment in their profile or the comments section. If I saw it, men with values like mine would probably refrain from making an offer. That’s all. By the way, everything up to this point was written sober. P.S. (Drunken Boxing mode: ON): Kazu, thanks for the explanation. I’m always impressed by your logical and incisive analysis. You really knocked it out of the park this time, too—you do good work! lol Flag Maker, you’re taking this joke way too far lol. A “Spear vs. Shield” showdown between the questioner and the answerer? There are way too many possible matchups for that企画. I’d probably be the opening act. Mac, thanks for your concern. But a forest outing is a bit much for me(^^;; Honestly, your story is unbelievable. I’m looking forward to the main event of the Spear vs. Shield企画 lol. Date◎Yume: Thank you. “Ahaha” (lol) has recently become a habit of mine. Somehow, saying it makes me feel happy. Paper Airplane: I can’t help thinking that’s the kind of mature response you can give because your life is fulfilling lol. Thank you. Maezawa: You’re awfully kind to the questioner. But don’t let Flag Maker drag you into it @Dachō Club. BB7: Now that’s what I’m talking about. I’d like to greet you with a solid fist bump lol. But there’s no solution to this chain reaction, is there? It’s kind of like *Three Billboards*, if you know what I mean.
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I’m Date◎Yume, a male member. Haha! I suppose it’s fair to say that some people do feel that way... I’m a man with my own circumstances, too, so please cut me some slack(笑) Personally, I don’t really feel much dislike toward it(笑)
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Maezawa from the CEO’s office here—I'll answer as well. Thanks for your question. I’m not the person in question, so I may be mistaken, but I think it might be because parts like: “Even though I should be earning the most...” “Even though I must be lying to a lot of papas—the papas all think I’m only seeing them—somehow, every one of them seems happy.” can come across as a bit condescending, as if she were saying: “I’m amazing, right? I’m making a lot of money, but people still say I’m not money-minded.” or: “Isn’t it strange that my papas seem happy even though I’m lying to them?” In reality, I think she was simply feeling conflicted, or finding the situation strange. Japanese is difficult. > Please tell us how papa-katsu girls should deal with men like that. If she just handles things as usual, I think their thoughts like that will probably disappear in the face of her cheerful attitude. I think this only became an issue because it was written down. She may be the kind of person nobody would see that way once they actually met her.
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I’m Hikōki, a male member. From society’s perspective, it’s only natural that both men and women involved in papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) are viewed with disgust. People probably see us as nothing more than fools who think both men and women are easy marks. But that doesn’t really bother you, does it? You’re a natural-born papa-katsu girl, after all… And because it’s a place most people never venture into, there are emotions and pleasures you can only discover by reaching it.
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I’m Kazu, a male member. I expect Taro, whom you specifically asked, will answer as well, but I’ll write down my thoughts. First of all, I don’t think Taro’s answer expressed suspicion or disgust toward papa-katsu women as a whole. > The other half is that it’s unfortunate how I can see hints of expressions subtly putting other people down in the question. This isn’t something you can openly tell other people about, so no matter what, people who act cocky about it just look pathetic. And that attitude of calling the people dancing to their own lies “easy marks” is pretty shitty, too. That’s how I see it. As for this part, I think he felt that way because of the following passages in your question: > Apparently, they like that I’m not all about the money. Even though I’m supposed to be earning the most… > Even though I’m presumably lying to many papas (they all think they’re the only one I’m seeing), somehow every papa seems happy. They tell me they’re glad to have met me, and I don’t feel guilty at all about what I’m doing. “Even though I’m supposed to be earning the most…” subtly puts other people down, while “Even though I’m presumably lying to many papas” can come across as though you think they’re easy marks. I also noticed something off about those parts, but I simply let it go because I didn’t feel like pointing out every little thing. The main reason I didn’t was that I thought, “She seems to think they’re easy marks, but she’s having fun, so let her keep thinking that. She isn’t someone I’m seeing anyway.” My answers tend to be long, and if I wrote comments on every little detail, they’d get even longer, so I leave things like that out(笑) Getting back to the point, Taro included that in his answer because there were some obvious points to call out in your question. The reason those points came across that way could be that you really do see them as easy marks without realizing it, or that you simply wrote it in a way that could be misunderstood. I don’t know which it is—or whether it’s both—but either way, I think you should take some time to reflect on yourself. Now, back to your question. I think many men are suspicious of women. As for disgust, I can’t speak for everyone. I feel disgust toward women who look down on the men they’re seeing, but I don’t feel disgust toward papa-katsu women as a whole. Any working adult who earns enough to give women an allowance would naturally have some suspicion toward other people. An old guy who believes everything anyone tells him has probably already been fleeced several times over before ever meeting you, and wouldn’t be in a position to give an allowance in the first place. A papa’s sexual desire or romantic feelings may cover up his doubts, but I think it’s fair to say that ordinary people all have some degree of suspicion toward others. When it comes to that suspicion, the only thing you can do is gradually dispel it through your day-to-day relationship. Over a long-term relationship, it will gradually fade as long as you don’t cause the other person any harm. As for disgust, just don’t do things that would make someone feel disgusted toward you. In other words, don’t accidentally let things slip like “Even though I’m supposed to be earning the most…” or “Even though I’m presumably lying to many papas.” P.S. I also feel disgust toward people who frequently use the technique of expanding what their pronouns refer to—switching from “I” to broad terms like “papa-katsu women”—and thereby confusing the discussion. I don’t think Taro felt it was “shitty” because of the attitude of papa-katsu women as a whole, but because of the attitude he read from your writing.
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I’m Flag Maker, a column writer. Is the questioner throwing down the gauntlet to Taro? lol This is basically a “direct showdown,” isn’t it? If you ask the club, “I’d like an offer from Taro, the person who answered,” it depends on Taro, but he could send you an offer and make the direct showdown happen. They could probably charge money to broadcast the match. I’d love to watch it live. Or the club could set up a hidden-camera special: “The Woman Who Can Fool Anyone vs. The Man Who Can’t Be Fooled.” That could be entertaining too. Sorry for making light of it. To answer seriously, I’m suspicious of everything—or rather, I don’t trust papa-katsu women at all. I’ve had various experiences. I wrote the details in my column. https://universe-club.jp/column/consecutivedefeats That said, I’m heartbroken right now, so I think I’d be easily fooled. lol
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