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Jan 29, 2021 17:29
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My top two worst offers ever.
I’m a Black member. (I had one of the club men show me my profile, and thankfully it only had positive comments, so I was relieved at first lol.
As for other women, they had harsh comments like “yellow teeth” and “speaks too casually,” which made me realize that we’re being watched more closely than I expected.)
First, number two: a self-proclaimed struggling restaurant owner.
He took me to a nearly empty, izakaya-style teppanyaki restaurant.
It was someone he knew, and papa kept fawning all over the manager—or whoever he was.
The worst part was that, probably because he was in his fifties and didn’t eat much anymore, he tried to make me eat everything he couldn’t finish.
Every time he offered me something, I declined, but he kept saying, “You’re young, so you can eat it!” and forcibly transferring food onto my plate.
After that, we paid and went to some Japanese-sake specialty bar I’d never heard of.
He made me drink a ridiculous amount of sake while I had to listen endlessly to stories about a woman he used to date for years.
He claimed he had supported her with a monthly arrangement of 200,000 yen (so little!), but they parted ways when she decided to open her own jewelry shop. He said he had offered to pay her 3 million yen in startup costs, but she turned him down because she wanted to become independent on her own and not rely on anyone else. He said he was deeply moved by her attitude (though there are so many things to question about that story).
“So I want to help you grow into that kind of woman, too. I’ll invest in you no matter what it takes,” papa passionately declared.
When I asked what kind of investment he meant, he said, “Things like culture, manners, and how to carry yourself as a woman. A life ruled by money will eat away at your soul. I’ll raise you!” I was completely underwhelmed.
By this point, four hours had passed. After that, we went to a business hotel, where he gave me an allowance of 30,000 yen..... lol
He invited me again, but when I honestly told him that 30,000 yen was too little, he said, “I’m sorry. I’ll pay you 50,000 yen next time. I want to help you grow.” Naturally, I blocked him lol
Number one: a self-proclaimed IT company president.
We met at a certain station in Tokyo.
He took me to a yakiniku restaurant popular with young people.
Papa had incredibly bad breath. I endured the meal while grilling the meat, already thinking, “There’s definitely not going to be a next time...”
Afterward, he took me to the apartment he claimed was his second home.
It was about a ten-minute walk from the restaurant, so we walked there in the freezing winter weather.
He went on and on bragging about the interior and layout of the tiny one-bedroom apartment, but how shabby it was completely killed the mood.
Then I had to listen to him play the guitar—which he claimed was his hobby—for about 30 minutes.
His self-satisfied expression and amateurish playing gave me intense secondhand embarrassment.
More than anything, being trapped in that enclosed space with his overpowering breath made me feel like I was going to throw up.
After papa’s little masturbation-concert was over, he brought up the allowance.
“I’ve only ever done it without protection. I’ve never gotten anyone pregnant. If you’re going to have an arrangement with me, without protection is best.”
I immediately refused.
I was stuck there for four hours.
He gave me an allowance of 10,000 yen.... and walked me to the station.
It was a 15-minute walk from the apartment to the station. I wanted to go back alone, but he followed me. It was cold, I didn’t want people seeing me next to some old guy, and I wanted to take a taxi to the station, but I stubbornly didn’t say anything myself.
That’s all.
Of course, there are plenty of wonderful people too, but I’ve had quite a few offers that made me despairingly think, “Are Universe’s Black members really this pathetic?”
I keep reminding myself that the other person is a reflection of yourself, and that if you want to meet good people, you should first work on yourself. But the atmosphere at Universe lately has been absolutely awful—even among the Black members.
Recently, I received an offer from an extremely Chinese man, even though I don’t accept foreign nationals.
Because the offer came under a Japanese name, I didn’t realize it. The moment we met, I noticed his broken Japanese and his distinctive body odor, which was noticeable even across the table.
I told the club afterward, but all I got was a very casual apology: “Oh, I see. We’re sorry about that.”
The next day, the club suddenly called to ask whether I could accept an offer right away as a substitute for another woman. I had plans, so I declined, and they responded, “Oh, I see. Okay then!”—yet another curt and rude response. Is that really how you ask someone for a favor...? lol
So I’m starting to consider either looking for another club instead of Universe, or quitting papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) and finding another way to make money.
I’d love to hear the club’s thoughts, as well as stories from members—men or women—about terrible papas or women you’ve encountered!
Sorry for the long post!
9 answers
Other
I’m Taro, a male member.
I sometimes hear about trouble at dating clubs, but this seems far too contrived. If they were really that unpleasant, why go all the way through with it? And with two of them, no less. They clearly didn’t learn a thing. It’s like those comedy performers who keep repeating, “Don’t push me, seriously, don’t push me,” only to end up falling into a vat of boiling water. Maybe the Dacho Club would’ve been a better fit than Universe Club.
Seriously, if you don’t like someone, you shouldn’t go on to a second venue or beyond. Forcing yourself to keep them company is more disrespectful to the other person. There are all kinds of people in the world. If you’re not compatible, just leave promptly. Keeping someone around to observe them and then mocking them behind their back is simply poor taste.
Meg
Female
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🏅 修行の身
光と影
Age: 50s
👩 Female
Former Universe member
I’m Meg, a female member.
Listening to your story has made me realize once again just how fortunate I am.
It’s filled me with renewed gratitude toward my papa (a male supporter).
In that sense, thank you for your question.
Other
Regarding the last sentence of the first paragraph:
Simply telling a female member someone’s class is already a violation, yet the man showed her the page—and she had the nerve to casually write that she saw it, even mentioning that she viewed another female member’s page.
Wouldn’t it be appropriate for both of them—the male member who showed her the page, of course—to be forcibly expelled?
Either way, they both seem to want to quit, so it works out nicely!
By the way, you mention safety concerns, but I’m older and in one of the lower-tier classes—black is still just a pipe dream for me—and I’ve never experienced anything that terrible.
As others have answered, this seems like something you could avoid by being more careful about how you conduct yourself.
Marika
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the President’s Office here with an answer as well.
This seems to be a post from someone who mainly just wanted to vent, as in the question itself. I’ll leave it visible because it’s interesting, but
we generally don’t approve posts that are just complaints. (笑)
> “A male club member showed me my profile, and I was relieved to see that it only contained positive comments at first, lol.
> For other women, it said harsh things like ‘yellow teeth’ and ‘uses overly casual language,’ so I was surprised by how closely they’re being observed.”
First of all, please tell us the name of this male member. This violates our rules.
For one thing, showing not only your own profile but also those of other female members is completely unacceptable.
If three women who have dated this man come forward with the same story, we can forcibly remove him from the club.
As you said, perhaps the quality of the men has been declining.
As for the person ranked second…
You should confirm the allowance clearly before going.
Even if it’s difficult to bring it up yourself, I think you need the courage to ask, “What kind of allowance are we talking about?”
Regarding the person ranked first, I assume the four-hour time commitment made it difficult to end things midway, but the basic guideline is two hours.
The reason we ask you to keep four hours open is that it could lead to a complaint if, when invited into an adult relationship (intimate), you say, “I can’t—I have plans afterward.”
If there was no adult relationship (intimate), two hours is the general guideline. (It’s only a guideline, not a strict rule.)
You also need to take some measures to protect yourself.
Next time, please tell us about your top two best experiences and brag a little!
🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Flag Maker, a column writer.
You’re definitely registered with Universe Club.
I’m sure the other women there have probably had all kinds of experiences too—they just don’t talk about them.
For me, this was a truly chilling story. It made me wonder if people have been saying my breath smells, too. I recently started taking supplements to help eliminate body odor.
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Date◎Yume, a male member.
Haha(笑)
You’ve certainly had a wide range of experiences(笑)
It sounds like you’re having fun while getting some valuable real-world experience...
There are all kinds of people in the world. I hope you keep looking until you meet the kind of partner you’re hoping for.
That said, if the club really handled things the way you described, it definitely deserves a serious reprimand. You should contact the person in charge of complaints at headquarters or the branch manager and let them know who dealt with you.
I’ve met three women through the dating club, and one of the first women I met quit the club after unilaterally stating only her own side of the story. She was free to say whatever she wanted, of course, but I would have preferred her to hear my side as well and leave only after we had finished discussing things.
Other
I’m Tetsu, a male member.
I heard about it.
I think you’re no different from the person you’re criticizing. It’s not right to publicly post about someone else’s faults based solely on your own perspective, even if you leave their name out. So when someone like that says the club’s environment is terrible, it doesn’t really mean anything to me.
If you’re unhappy with the club, you can simply leave. And if you want things to improve, why not speak directly to the branch instead of posting in the Q&A forum?
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member.
Thank you for what has to be one of the ten most off-putting questions I’ve ever seen. Unlike the other cringeworthy questions, though, this one was also entertaining.
I do think there’s something wrong with men who take women to a hotel or their home without agreeing on an allowance first, but why did you go along with them? I don’t know which came first—the first or second incident—but you really should learn from this. I was shocked by how careless you were to go to the first man’s home on your very first date. Also, I can’t say I think highly of you for criticizing the allowances in other people’s arrangements. If things continued under a ¥200,000 monthly arrangement, then presumably both parties were satisfied, so it’s really none of your concern. “The other person is your own reflection,” as you said yourself. There are plenty of things I find disappointing about the men mentioned in your question, but my impression is that you’re not all that different from them.
What exactly are you expecting in terms of accuracy from the interview process at a dating club? Just as women’s membership tiers aren’t determined solely by their personalities, men’s tiers aren’t either. There’s no way to know at the interview stage whether a man is the type to take a woman to a hotel or his home before agreeing on an allowance. I don’t think changing clubs would make much difference in the personalities of the male members, but if you know of a club where all the men are decent, please let me know. I’d like to sign up too(笑).
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m in Seattle.
A lot of people don’t negotiate before going to his place, huh? If you do that upfront, situations like this should be avoidable.