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Jan 25, 2021 03:02
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Regarding the answer from that Kazu guy in the previous question, could you please stop making comments that drive down the going rate for CAs?
It’s honestly laughable that the blacklisted CA mentioned in that answer went all the way to Nagoya and didn’t even get ¥200,000. Please value yourself more.
I’ve heard that even non-blacklisted CAs get at least ¥200,000.
I get ¥300,000–¥500,000, and so do the people around me.
As someone who used to work in the adult entertainment industry, I’d say that if you’re getting less than ¥200,000, you’d be better off going to an upscale escort service. The upscale places will even take you out for meals, so what you’re doing is basically the same as papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan).
And regardless of occupation, what is ¥50,000 supposed to be? I’m honestly shocked by that amount. When a young woman is putting her body on the line, don’t you think that’s cheap...? Or am I wrong?
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Flag Maker, a column writer.
There’s a rule here that you’re not allowed to lie. So when us male respondents—who don’t pay particularly generous allowances—give our answers, they naturally end up sounding that way. That’s all there is to it, nothing more and nothing less.
We’re playing on entirely different fields, so we can’t compete in the first place. Let’s each value the reality in front of us and make the people close to us happy.
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member named Basil.
Are you asking this because you’re trying to drive up the going rate for some reason?
I’ve had intimate relationships with around 50 women. As I recall, only three asked for “two hands,” and about the same number asked for six to nine. Just under 90% agreed to “one hand,” including several CAs and women in black.
I immediately turn down requests for two hands without negotiating.
A handful of men may be willing to pay anything, but isn’t the bulk of the market around one hand?
If that doesn’t work for you, wait for an offer with the terms you want—or try your luck at a high-end escort service.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the CEO’s office here, answering as well.
Thank you for your question.
I believe I’ve mentioned this before, but if women nationwide—including women who aren’t registered with Universe—joined together and refused to accept anything under ¥100,000, men would eventually start paying at least that amount. It’s really that simple.
Most men registered with dating clubs can afford to pay ¥100,000 without any trouble. Those who can’t afford it will simply drop out.
But in reality, women can’t—or perhaps could, but no one does it—so things have ended up the way they are now.
Also, compared with the past, more and more types of women are willing to participate, so I think the balance between supply and demand has shifted, bringing prices down.
For example, I’ve heard that appearing in adult videos paid extremely well several decades ago. Back then, people were taught that appearing in one was completely out of the question, so very few women were willing to do it. That meant performers had to be paid more, and I imagine people were willing to buy the videos even at higher prices.
But these days, appearance fees seem to be around one-tenth of what they were—or even lower. Ultimately, I think that’s because more women are willing to appear in them.
You could also say it’s because women are willing to accept the offers even when the fees are low.
To get back to the point:
Men prefer lower prices, while women prefer higher ones.
So yes, some women may feel uncomfortable when men brag about how little they pay, while some men may feel uncomfortable when women brag about how much they receive.
If you genuinely want to help raise allowance levels, I encourage you to become an answerer and write responses such as:
“It’s not good to accept such a low allowance. I receive this much.”
If only one person says that, they’ll just be fighting a losing battle. But if as many women as possible give similar answers, I think things will gradually change.
And eventually, I believe some men will start supporting that position as well.
You can apply to become a question-box answerer here:
https://universe-club.jp/help/apply/
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Hikōki, a male member who’s gotten “You’re wonderful” from black-tier CAs who like black-tier women (and women of other tiers too), and who are happy even with Kura Sushi.
With you as the questioner, though, I feel like you have nothing to worry about when it comes to being downgraded…
Maybe this is the sequel to the enjoyable bait post?
P.S. Mac
I’m still not really motivated to approach any CAs myself.
There’s a longtime senior member who specializes in picking up CAs, and since they’re probably the easiest profession to approach, I find myself wondering, “What kind of person would even need to join the club?”
Still, I imagine things have changed somewhat during the current COVID situation, so I’m trying to understand that and give it a shot…
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member who’s in a great mood after getting affectionate with a CA.
The CA left saying, “Thank you again for seeing me today.” Being thanked after finishing inside her made me feel strangely uncomfortable, as if only a stud horse would get thanked for that.
Is this even a question? (LOL)
It really does sound like she’s talking about a different Universe Club from the one I’m registered with.
The questioner seems to read the anonymous Q&A quite regularly, so you probably know that I’ve made an absurd number of offers. I did that to find women I genuinely clicked with, but there was also a by-product: an incredible number of first-date experiences. Within just a few months of registering, I had already met more women through Universe than almost any male or female member has ever met there.
If there really is such a thing as the going rate, the key to calculating it is the sample size. I have that sample size. So it’s rather strange that I’ve never once heard anyone mention a figure of 20 or more.
That aside, I’ve always thought Taro’s answers were excellent, and this one is excellent as well. There is no going rate for an allowance. What exists is an agreement between the people involved. Likewise, I don’t put different prices on women; I simply decide whether I want to see someone or not. When making that decision, I don’t want to think, “This girl is a 5 and that girl is an 8—who should I see?” If the allowance is the same for every woman, deciding whether to meet is simple.
In the previous question, I wrote that, for me, the next step after an allowance of 5 is 10. One reason I think that way is because, with 10, I can ask myself whether meeting her once would give me the same satisfaction as seeing a woman receiving 5 twice.
I’ve met a woman who often appears on television for an allowance in the triple digits. But does the satisfaction of dating her really compare to dozens of dates with women I met through Universe? Of course not. It was simply something I wanted to experience once or twice so I’d have a story to take with me to the grave.
So when I ask myself whether the women in your supposed “mainstream range” would give me several times the satisfaction of my current partners, the answer is still no. To begin with, I wouldn’t want to make an offer to you. You’re not attractive enough for me to want to meet you even for a triple-digit allowance; you’re too mediocre, and it would be a waste of my time and the setting fee.
Of course, men have all kinds of preferences. I may never have even glimpsed this “20 mainstream range” through my absurd number of offers, but there may be men who prefer that kind of world. Those people should simply get along with others who share their preferences. I had assumed that people in that world wouldn’t talk about a going rate, so this is quite interesting.
When answering questions, I assume that what the questioner has written is true. The other answerers seem to do the same. For the record, lying in an answer is against the rules.
If women considering joining start thinking that an allowance of 20 could happen to them too, I worry that they’ll keep getting rejected by the vast majority of men after joining and end up in a difficult situation. Offers don’t keep coming forever. From my own experience, it’s painful to watch women contact me later saying, “Actually, I’d like to accept the terms Kazu offered me after all.”
I think you should understand that an allowance of 20 is limited to the very small number of women—and their friends—who happen to have the talent to command such a high allowance.
Oh, was it 30 to 50? I got tired of it and standardized everything as 20, so feel free to replace it with whatever number you prefer—30, 31.4159265359, 50, or anything else.
Other
I’m Taro, a male member. Sorry I’m not Kazu. I was answering another question a little while ago, but when I went to post my answer, I was forced to log in again and everything I’d written disappeared. So I’m writing this new post while I’m still annoyed. You haven’t done anything wrong, though—sorry.
I really wish people would stop obsessing over allowances. In the end, it’s between the two people involved. More specifically, from a man’s perspective, I don’t put a price on women. It’s simply a matter of whether I want to see someone or not. Even if a girl I felt was only so-so offered to meet for half the going rate, I still wouldn’t see her. On the other hand, I’ve paid a lot to sleep with girls who had even appeared on TV, but honestly, it wasn’t that different.
There was a girl I met before who probably had a generous (well-paying) papa (a male supporter). She said, “It was a financial relationship, but I really did like him.” I already had a good impression of her at that point, but I offered her the usual low amount. She hesitated for a moment, then murmured almost to herself, “Well, it’s not like I’m struggling financially right now,” and accepted those terms. I felt as though I’d been handed a serious responsibility, and decided to treat her even better than usual.
If you want to make serious money, go into the adult-entertainment or nightlife industry. Those women earn appropriate amounts while going through truly brutal situations and fighting to keep their sense of self from falling apart. A dating club is a place for ordinary girls who don’t have the courage to throw themselves into that kind of ordeal. Saying you deserve more because you’re a flight attendant is laughable. It used to be a glamorous job, but now you’re facing the threat of unemployment, aren’t you? It’s hardly the time to have men swarming around trying to get with fallen angels. I understand wanting to maintain your rate, but I suppose, from a man’s perspective, overpowering such an arrogant woman is probably part of the thrill. I’m not interested, though.
Speaking of allowances, I honestly think anyone asking for 300,000 yen a month is ridiculous. Assuming they aren’t filing tax returns, that’s take-home pay equivalent to someone in management at a mid-sized company or higher. And they get that just by meeting a few times a month and being intimate? I’m like, seriously? On the other hand, if she genuinely doesn’t want to see me and feels she needs that much money to do it, then she doesn’t have to meet me. Really. It’s not that I’m cheap. If she were in trouble, I’d give her millions of yen. But showering money on a hostess and giving money to help a woman you care about may look the same from the outside, yet they’re completely different things.
I don’t condemn people who are all about money. I just don’t want to meet them. I want to give the greatest amount of affection and money I can to girls who aren’t like that—to girls who are looking for something beyond just money. And I can’t stand seeing those girls hurt by the bragging of money-obsessed women.
That’s why I wish the club would introduce categories. It’s not just the money spent on these types of women—the time is a waste too. Instead of Type E, please create a Type K for people who are all about money. Thank you.