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Dec 24, 2020 00:52
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Since physical compatibility is also a factor, I feel awkward asking him to make it ○ yen before we become intimate, but if we do become intimate and the chemistry is good, and he says he’d like to see me again, would it be okay to ask whether he could raise it to ○ yen (an increase of ¥20,000–¥30,000) from the next meeting onward if we’re going to continue seeing each other?
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I’m Tetsu, a male member.
In general society, it’s common sense that changing terms you’ve already stated is difficult. People who constantly change what they say aren’t trusted.
Putting generalities aside, I do understand how you feel. When you’re pressured to give an immediate answer in the moment, it’s quite common to say something different from what you really mean. Before becoming intimate, I think all you can do is say, “The other day, I said I was hoping for an allowance of XX, but my actual希望 is YY.” You should avoid negotiating for more afterward, since that will only make a bad impression.
Continuing the relationship when you’re not satisfied will only cause you stress. Since you did make the mistake of saying it once, I think you’ll have to accept that they may form a negative impression of you. If you don’t want that to happen, your only option is to put up with it and continue seeing them under the terms you originally agreed to.
I think you have two choices: continue under the agreed terms without damaging their impression of you, even though it causes you stress—or tell them what you really want and ask whether they’re still willing to continue seeing you, knowing that it may worsen their impression of you.
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I’m Maezawa from the CEO’s office, and I’ll answer this as well.
Thank you for your question.
It’s actually the other way around. You should state your desired allowance from the start.
You should assume that very few men will be receptive to being asked to increase the allowance from the next meeting onward. Basically, most expect the second meeting to be at the same allowance.
With that in mind, it’s better to start by asking for a little more than your actual target. However, if your request is higher than what the man had in mind, even the good ones will usually just part ways with you politely.
You’re probably keeping your figure low because you’re worried about that.
But I think it’s better to approach it this way: if a man can’t meet your desired allowance, you simply let him go too. That way, you won’t have to put up with anything.
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I’m Kazu, a male member.
If I had to say which is better—asking before or after becoming intimate—I’d say before, as the other respondents have. Unless you’re very confident in your looks or skills, bringing it up afterward would probably just give him a reason to decline seeing you a second time.
Even if you ask beforehand, from a man’s perspective, it’s still an allowance increase without any particular reason, so it may leave a bad impression. He might agree to pay more, but he might also say that, at that price, he’d rather not become intimate at all.
So from your next offer onward, I think it’s best not to quote a low amount. Then, if you meet a better man who offers the allowance you’re hoping for, you can try asking your current partner for an increase.
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Age: 50s
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I’m Fullerene, a male member!
Is this the reverse situation from your previous question? Could you possibly be the same person?
If you’re going to negotiate a higher allowance, it’s best to do so before becoming intimate.
That said, don’t complain if the whole arrangement falls through because of it(笑
Asking for more after becoming intimate is extremely risky, so I wouldn’t recommend it.
The next opportunity to negotiate an increase would be after you’ve met at least ten times and established a relationship. Be very careful about how you explain your reasons, too.
Even then, the risk of him saying goodbye the moment you ask for more is quite high.
And even if he doesn’t end things, your total income may actually decrease if you end up meeting less often.
(Given the size of the increase you’re asking for, it sounds like a pretty tough battle.)
The least risky option might be to come up with a reason and ask for a one-time payment.
Of course, men probably think things like:
“I don’t care if she dislikes me—I'm going to push for what I want.
It costs nothing to try, and if it works out, great.
There are plenty of other women out there anyway.”
Naturally, men are more likely to have “plenty of replacements,” which is probably why their requests are more likely to be accepted at the first meeting.
If the man intentionally started by offering a low amount, then—assuming he likes you—it may be possible to negotiate up to what he originally considered a fair level.
Other situations are pretty difficult...
That’s why I think most women only negotiate when they already have several papas and are replacing one of them with someone new.
And I don’t think this applies only to money.
I imagine many women start out in a position where they don’t have many alternatives, so they probably put up with allowances they’re unhappy with, activities they don’t want, and being kept out for longer than they’d like.
I’m sorry.
The gap in perception between men and women that arises here often leads to tragedy(笑
As you build up more papas, you replace them with papas who offer greater benefits to you.
That’s why Fullerene gets dumped.
It can feel like it comes completely out of nowhere, but from the man’s perspective, if you’ve found someone better, then I can accept it and think, “Good for you.”
And to the person who asked the question!
“Being physically compatible” does not necessarily mean “wanting to see you again,” okay?
You’re underestimating men way too much(笑
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Universe member
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member who does think, “Sure, let’s see if we’re compatible first—and make her so hooked she can’t forget me.”
But come on, that doesn’t happen.
It can happen when the man says it, but if the woman says it, it’s over. (If it was so good, why would you pay more? You’d say the opposite.)
“Because it was so good, I’d like to see you even without an allowance (I’d like you to do it again).”
“I enjoyed it even more, so I’ll give you double.”
And somehow, the worse the chemistry is for both of them, the more likely they are to ask, “Was it good?” But obviously it wasn’t—and what else can a man say besides, “Yeah, it was good”?