I still haven’t had an adult relationship (intimate) with anyone yet.

Thank you for your question. I’m Kida, the representative, and I’ll be answering. I’ve been waiting for a question like this. Brace yourself. This is going to be a lecture. “Should I make a move on women rated B or C from the very first day?” This isn’t the time to be casually asking things like that in the question box. Once you’ve met someone, invite her to an adult relationship (intimate) right away—anything is fine. Your time is precious, and so is hers. The reason dating clubs act as intermediaries is to prevent people from wasting time over minor misunderstandings. So, above all, experience an adult relationship at least once. That’s exactly what Flag Maker and the other respondents have been saying. As long as neither party expects perfection, the right terms and a few pointers can make things work. That’s how the system is designed. If things still aren’t working, I can only assume the fault lies with you, the person asking the question. Women aren’t sitting around with nothing to do, either. Japan is already facing serious challenges due to its declining birthrate and aging population. This is no time to keep striking out. Are you listening? In dating clubs, it’s more important not to be disliked than to be liked. One of Flag Maker’s columns says that a man should aim to become “someone she may not love, but who makes her feel safe and trusted—and gives her spending money.” I thought that made a lot of sense. You should definitely read it. After reading the column, throw away your complicated hang-ups and pride, and go pursue an “adult relationship.” Judging from the tone of your question, you come across as saying: “I didn’t do anything wrong.” But you did. Honestly, since you’re adults, you should just go ahead and pursue an adult relationship first. There’s a pickup-artist YouTuber named Ebisu Jap who once said: “People often ask me, ‘What’s the secret to approaching women?’ The secret is approaching lots of women.” He also said: “Everyone is afraid of being ignored or insulted when they approach someone. Some people lose heart after approaching ten women, others after a hundred. We don’t give up until we succeed.” It’s extremely annoying, but as someone like me who doesn’t have the courage to approach women, I have to admit that I thought it was pretty cool. Try sending her a LINE message like this: “I know this is a very forward thing to ask, but I’d like to have a deeper relationship with you. I can offer you an allowance of around ○○, and I won’t ask you to do anything you’re uncomfortable with. Would you be willing to meet me again?”

My name is Kurosaki from the Osaka branch of Universe Club. Some Type B women may feel uncomfortable being invited to an adult relationship (intimate) on the first day. Even if you make a move, I recommend keeping it subtle. With Type C women, I think it’s fine to make a move from the first day. Since support is also their main goal, quite a few women may be hoping for that as well! (Some women are actually Type D at heart but choose Type C.) I hope you have a wonderful encounter☆

Maezawa from the president’s office here. > I negotiate around the second or third date, but should I approach women in categories B and C right from the first meeting? You shouldn’t invite a B-type woman to an adult relationship from the first meeting. If women are being approached that way from day one, they’ll complain that it defeats the purpose of having relationship categories in the first place. With a C-type woman, however, I think it’s better to invite her to an adult relationship from the first meeting. > I’m looking for a long-term arrangement. If you keep talking about that at length during the first date, such as over dinner, that may be why things aren’t progressing. When you talk about how much you want a long-term relationship, you probably aren’t discussing the allowance. From the woman’s perspective, she may then wonder: Is this man looking for a marriage partner? Is he looking for a girlfriend? She may see you as someone whose goals differ from hers. In that case, your objectives don’t match. She may accept invitations to dinner, but she may have already decided that things won’t go any further. That’s because the allowance hasn’t been discussed. Also, talking about wanting a long-term relationship before moving on to an adult relationship may make you seem as though anyone would do. If you’ve only just started having dinner together and barely know each other, saying you want a long-term relationship can understandably make her wonder whether you’re simply trying to negotiate an allowance with anyone. At the very least, I think it’s more common to say something like, “You’re exactly the kind of person I hoped you’d be, so let’s keep seeing each other,” after becoming intimate. As long as the allowance isn’t lower than what she’s hoping for, a long-term arrangement should be possible.

I’m Flag Maker, a papa-katsu columnist. The way to break through that, wouldn’t it be “money” and “begging”? For example: “How about 30,000 yen?” → a hesitant look “How about 50,000 yen? Could you please?” → still a hesitant look “Then how about 100,000 yen!? Please! I’m begging you!!” If you keep increasing the amount and the desperation of your pleas—while abandoning your pride—you should eventually find a compromise.

I’m だて◎ゆめ, a male member. I understand your question very well. Once you actually get involved, dating clubs are really interesting places. Sometimes things come together easily, while other times, nothing seems to work out at all! That’s all part of what makes dating clubs what they are（笑） Don’t rush or panic. I think you should enjoy the experience while trying different ways of negotiating. Generally speaking, many women at dating clubs are quite assertive—sometimes overly confident. We men might also do well to have confidence in our track record and negotiate from a position of strength. Ah! But if you do that, it can become pretty difficult to reach an agreement（笑） In any case, negotiations work out when both sides find a balance that suits them. Let’s keep at it! P.S. This doesn’t really answer your question at all, does it? Well, the other respondents have answered it, so please take this as just a bit of harmless fun...

I’m a male member, “Paper Airplane.” Since we don’t know your age or allowance terms, it’s a little hard to say, but it’s rather mysterious that you’ve never been turned down for a second meeting despite having had zero adult relationships. If she’s a C type, I think it’s more natural for things to progress from the first day. The same goes for a B type who leans toward C. I don’t think you should make offers to B types. To enjoy a B type, you also need to determine on the first day whether she’s more like a Type 3 or Type 4. - B types leaning toward C - B types (including ordinary, “normal B” types and genuine, serious B types) - B types leaning toward A Also, because allowance becomes a factor with middle-of-the-road B types, there are “genuine B types” who are neither clearly A-leaning nor C-leaning, making things even more complicated and mysterious. And on the first day, men are usually so excited from the moment they meet her that they’re 100% misreading the situation. So, just to be extra sure, I think it’s a good idea to casually ask about her feelings several times and check whether it’s more than just wishful thinking. If it ends with nothing more than polite social niceties, then that’s all it is. But if you gradually manage to draw out a little extra from her, she may eventually start expressing more proactively what kind of relationship she’d like to have. Once she starts forming her own image of the relationship, she’ll naturally have lots of things she wants to know and may begin asking plenty of questions. Rather than thinking of it stiffly as “making a move,” I think you should simply be yourself and create the situation the woman is looking for. By that, I mean creating a natural flow where she can discuss the allowance and decide—or be able to decide—whether she wants to continue.

I’m Tetsu, a male member. Even with Type B women, I’ll make a move if the conversation presents an opening. Conversely, even if she’s Type C, I won’t pursue things if I feel she isn’t interested. Based on my experience, conversations about an adult relationship (i.e., the allowance) don’t seem to go anywhere unless the man brings it up first. Regardless of whether we’ll have an adult relationship that day, I always discuss the allowance on the first meeting. Seeing how she reacts helps me decide whether to move forward with a second meeting or not.

I’m Marika, a female member. You should reconsider how you view B and C. You shouldn’t invite B on the very first day, but on the other hand, dragging things out with C until the third date doesn’t seem right either. Other than that, maybe it really is a matter of the allowance, as Seattle-san said. Since they’re willing to go on dates with you, they probably don’t dislike you. And even B likely understands that if she goes on a second date, you’ll be inviting her to an adult relationship (intimate).

I’m Kazu, a male member who never makes the first move on a Type B woman. Even if a man is good in bed, I think a woman may consider a long-term relationship with him. But isn’t it a bit much to want a long-term arrangement from the start when you haven’t even slept together yet? If she’s willing to meet a second time but still doesn’t want an adult relationship (intimate), your proposed terms must not be very appealing. Maybe, as Seattle-san said, the allowance is too low—or perhaps you’ve only been discussing a monthly arrangement.

I’m in Seattle. For C- and D-type women, it’s probably best to make your move from the very first day. With a B-type, if you can meet a second time but still can’t reach an agreement, then hmm… I can only assume the amount isn’t enough. If she’s more of an A-type and you want to enjoy the process, take your time and be kind, however you like. Otherwise, if you’re not willing to offer more, make a new offer and look for someone else. P.S. After reading everyone’s answers, I started wondering: Is the person asking actually negotiating the amount properly? This isn’t romance, so you can’t just rely on unspoken understanding and naturally end up heading into the nightlife district. You need to negotiate clearly and directly.