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Aug 10, 2020 17:22
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Thank you for all your responses.
I suppose I should be clicking “Like,” but, just as with private photos, I haven’t done so.
I apologize.
I’m a black-listed member at a papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) club in a regional area.
After a woman I met for a first meeting complained that I had misrepresented my dating type, it seems my profile has been hidden from her alone.
With no third party present, it’s ultimately her word against mine. Still, I contacted the club to say that I would at least have appreciated being informed of the situation.
They told me that the woman had cried while explaining herself, and I was labeled a creepy old man.
I deleted the number I used for our preliminary phone call right away, so I don’t believe I’m a stalker.
There have been women who cried in front of me or told me they would “die,” but as far as I know, none of them actually did.
If an older man cries, would people around him forgive him?
I’d like to hear everyone’s opinions.
Even an answer saying, “You should die,” is fine.
This question may come across as picking a fight with the club, so perhaps it won’t be published?
I apologize for causing trouble for the staff as well.
6 answers
Other
I’m Rin, one of the female members.
Isn’t it good enough already?~
That’s not very nice~
Being able to make a clean break is important.
🏅 手コキ評論家
入会して8年。いまだ彷徨中です
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
The male member’s backseat Joe here.
First of all, you have my sympathy. No, I’m not being sarcastic. Not only have you been labeled a creepy old man, but when you asked for opinions, everyone really piled on. If I were Joe, I’d be bawling my eyes out by now—fake tears, of course.
Unfortunately, though, Joe agrees with Paper Airplane. To add to that, dating clubs are places where men pay money and undergo training. Didn’t you know that?
As an aside, I’d like to leave the questioner with a line from Ken Takakura:
From *The Yellow Handkerchief*
(Hokkaido: Ken Takakura and Tetsuya Takeda)
Yusaku Shima (Ken Takakura): Are you even from Kyushu?
Kinya Hanada (Tetsuya Takeda): Well, whether I’m from Kyushu or not...
Yusaku Shima: Shut up and listen. Sit down properly. Akemi’s a woman, isn’t she? Listen, women are fragile. They’re delicate and easily broken, like flowers in bloom. A man has to protect them. He has to treat them with care. Are you listening to me?!
Kinya Hanada: Yes.
Yusaku Shima: What was that performance today? Grumbling and complaining, shouting and picking fights, then clinging to her like a dog in heat. Is that how a Kyushu man behaves? A man like you, where I come from, is called a catcher in a sandlot baseball game. Understand?
Kinya Hanada: No.
Yusaku Shima: It means you’re pathetic.
(*The Yellow Handkerchief*, directed by Yoji Yamada, winner of the 1977 Japan Academy Film Prize for Best Picture)
Other
I’m a male member, BB7.
① Crying while making excuses = Was she so desperate to avoid being intimate with you that she felt she’d die?
② Crying while making excuses = Was she really a lying woman who misrepresented her type, putting on an act and crying to win over the staff?
If it was ①, there’s nothing to be done.
If it was ②, it will eventually come to light through feedback from other men.
As for hiding her profile…
Either she really didn’t want to be seen by you, or she was afraid you’d keep checking on her.
Either way… it probably doesn’t matter anymore.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
I’ll answer too—Maezawa from the president’s office.
> “When I filed a complaint about her misrepresenting her dating type…”
You probably don’t even want to look at the profile of someone you complained about, so I don’t really understand what the problem is with having it hidden.
> “When I contacted the club to ask them to at least notify me about that…”
Filing a complaint is essentially the same as saying, “This woman is the worst,” so I don’t understand why you would still want to keep viewing her profile.
> “I was labeled a creepy old man.”
I’m not sure who labeled you that, but if you said, “Why can’t I view her profile anymore when I was the one who filed the complaint?” then I’m afraid that doesn’t look very good.
I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say.
Similar topics have come up repeatedly in the Q&A section, but when you invite a woman into an adult relationship (intimate) and she turns you down, please accept it and move on gracefully.
It would also be better to reflect on yourself and consider whether there was something wrong with your own behavior.
If a woman is misrepresenting her dating type, you’ll quickly find out because multiple men will make similar complaints. If that isn’t the case, then either you simply weren’t compatible, or there was a problem with the man’s behavior.
Improving your success rate may be difficult, but recognizing your own shortcomings can help you overcome them.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member.
I’m not quite sure what the questioner is actually asking. So I’ll just write down my thoughts on their complaint about “relationship-type fraud.”
Does “relationship-type fraud” mean that someone was listed as “Type XXX—will sleep with anyone anytime,” but then refused to take off her panties? For the record, there’s no such thing as Type XXX.
Even Type D says, “If you invite me smoothly from the first day, the relationship may develop.” It says “may develop,” not “will develop.” It isn’t stated as a certainty. This is important, so please read “may develop” aloud five times and make sure you understand what “may” means.
I’ll say it again: it only means there’s a possibility. So I don’t think the club did anything worth picking a fight over. It’s just some clueless older guy making a fuss because he doesn’t understand the meaning.
Since the questioner’s previous post was on August 6, I assume this was his first date with that woman.
I’d like to share the results of the in-person dates I’ve proposed over the past month. Since the way women turn someone down might be useful to female members, I’ll also note what I was told when things didn’t develop into a relationship.
● Type B
A: She said she was open to a relationship after the first date, but her allowance expectations were far too high, so I declined.
B: She asked whether I’d rather have her be someone I slept with once in exchange for a lump sum, or someone I could talk to over a long period. I chose the latter. We’re planning our second date soon.
C: She said she wanted to meet a few other people first before deciding. We’re planning a second date.
● Type C
D: She suddenly got up to go to the restroom during dinner. When I brought up the relationship, she said, “I’m not refusing a relationship, but my period started earlier, so I had to excuse myself. Today isn’t really possible.” So we’ll probably have a relationship-oriented date next time.
E: Since our first date ran late, we parted after dinner only. Things developed on the second date.
F: Things developed right after our first date.
● Type D
G: Things developed right after our first date.
Looking back over everything, I think the relationship types are actually set up pretty well. For the record, my way of asking isn’t smooth at all. With Type B and C women, I ask, “This is the kind of relationship I’m looking for, but I’m also fine with just tea or dinner. What would you like to do?” With Type D women, I ask, “Would you be willing to continue the relationship after this?” Sorry for being so blunt. The allowance I offer is the same for everyone. It’s more than what I give women I meet outside Universe, though.
The women I make offers to are those who can talk about topics I’m interested in, work during the day, and preferably are between 25 and 35. I chose the tea-and-dinner course with B because I had an incredibly fun time talking with her. If what you’re after is a guaranteed physical relationship with a beautiful woman you don’t enjoy talking to, you’d probably be better off going to a high-end soapland. They’ll do things that make you think, “A woman this beautiful does that too!?” So that may be the better option.
So, that’s my point: making a fuss when someone turns down a relationship is ridiculous.
As Papuwa-san said, if you were angry enough to file a complaint, then you presumably don’t care about that woman anymore, right? Did you still want to keep looking at the profile of the person you complained about?
P.S. I just had a great idea. If you have a budget like 4261, I think your chances of failing would go down if you went to a high-end soapland twice, calmed your excitement, reached a state of clarity, and then went on your date.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member.
When it comes to meeting women, it’s ridiculous to expect anyone to take men’s complaints seriously.
The more you say or write, the more you only add to your own embarrassment—that’s just how it naturally comes across.
Considering the age gap, you should be feeling ashamed of yourself…
P.S. You need to understand that men who pay aren’t in a position of power—they’re in a weaker position. Paying to have someone arrange a meeting with a woman isn’t exactly cool to begin with, and paying a large sum means bowing before her and showing your respect. If you don’t realize that, you won’t feel grateful, and even things that could work out won’t.