Tips Jul 25, 2020 12:47

This is Mac, one of the respondents. I’ve been thinking about the definition of a “gentleman.”

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The original post is here: https://universe-club.jp/help/questions/view/4178. First, Sozetsu-san named Saito-san, Rورا-san, and himself as examples of gentlemen. In response, Joe-san wrote, “I think there are many definitions of a gentleman, but I also think being able to endure hardship without complaining is part of being a gentleman.” I then wrote, “Isn’t enduring hardship without complaining more something a samurai would do than a gentleman? I think a gentleman is someone who is well-groomed, never embarrasses a woman, and knows how to escort her gracefully.” In response, Joe-san wrote again, “I feel that it’s precisely how someone behaves when he’s turned down that shows whether he’s a gentleman.” Looking back, I’ve been turned down by Type B women when I brought up an adult relationship for our next meeting, but the only time I was turned down by a Type C woman was when I went to Tokyo and a virgin who was registered as Type C declined, saying, “I’m not quite ready to do that from the first meeting...” There may have been other times that I’ve forgotten, though. That got me thinking: “Any man who makes an offer to a Type C woman and gets turned down forfeits his gentleman status on the spot.” With this definition, the meaning of “gentleman” would be clear, and I wouldn’t have to pester Sozetsu-san to include me among the gentlemen. Of course, I lost my eligibility over the incident mentioned above, so I’m no longer a gentleman anyway. Romane-san and Megumi-san are both so humble and pure-hearted that they even describe themselves as “sluts.” I feel that we men would also be better off holding ourselves to a stricter definition of “gentleman” and admonishing ourselves accordingly. Do you disagree? I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts.
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ジョー・ルビコン
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🏅 手コキ評論家
入会して8年。いまだ彷徨中です
Age: 60s 👨 Male Universe member
Here I am again with my reliably late take. No matter what Maezawa-chan says, it seems entirely fair to say that anyone registered with Universe Club isn’t exactly a gentleman. That said, Mac’s question is a fun bit of wordplay, so I’ll rack my nonexistent brains. Mac’s suggestion—“a man who gets rejected forfeits his gentleman status”—is pretty good. But that doesn’t leave much room for fun, so how about restoring his gentleman status after five consecutive successes (intercourse)? And maybe celebrating his reinstatement by cutting the offer fee in half. What do you think, Maezawa-chan? The word—or rather, the concept—of a gentleman probably came from Europe. I don’t know, though. If so, the European version of a gentleman was probably all about fighting ability. And if that’s the case, a Universe-style gentleman must be judged by his manhood. Which means Joe is unlikely to qualify as a gentleman in any sense of the word. Nevertheless—or perhaps precisely because of that—I’m off to bury my face in an F-cup woman from Edo. Begging your pardon.
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I’m a BB7 male member. I don’t want this to come across as bragging, but I’ve never been turned down when inviting a Type C woman on the first meeting. That doesn’t mean I consider myself a gentleman at all. Compared with the genuinely gentlemanly guys out there, I’m undoubtedly a lowlife, lousy fake gentleman. I’m not really sure how to define a gentleman, but there’s one thing I just can’t accept: I once met a Type B woman who believed that inviting a Type B woman on the first meeting meant you weren’t a gentleman, while not inviting her did. Even with a Type B, if I like her, I’ll invite her on the first meeting. If I don’t like her, I won’t. And of course, if she turns me down, I don’t insult her or keep pressuring her. But is it really so wrong just to ask? To me, it simply means I liked her that much. Being told I’m not a gentleman just because I asked is pretty frustrating. That said, since I really am a lowlife fake gentleman, I suppose it doesn’t matter anyway.(笑)
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I’m Rin, a female member. Someone who can always keep themselves in check, no matter the circumstances, and who doesn’t shift the blame onto others.
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前澤(スタッフ)
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🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
I’m Maezawa from the CEO’s office, and I’ll answer this too. You may have forgotten, but the membership policy says: https://universe-club.jp/men/membershippolicy/ “Membership is limited to gentlemanly men who have the emotional and financial means to do so.” In other words, only gentlemanly men can become members, so everyone who is currently a member was considered a gentlemanly man at the time they joined. (Mac seems to have written “renouncing my gentleman status” with this premise in mind.) Even among gentlemanly men, the success rate is said to be 50%, so if being turned down by C meant someone wasn’t gentlemanly, things would get rather complicated. For example, suppose someone was turned down by the second woman but then accepted by the next eight. That would mean they were rejected only once out of ten times—a 90% success rate, with just one rejection (10%). Despite being well above the original 50% benchmark, would that mean they’re not a gentleman? Compatibility matters too, so even a gentleman may be turned down based on a woman’s preferences or how well they click. That makes this a difficult standard to judge by. Personally, I feel that someone who has never received a single negative report from a woman is probably a gentleman. The club may know that, but the person themselves probably wouldn’t be fully aware of it. > “Maybe five consecutive successes (intimate encounters) could restore someone’s gentleman status. And to celebrate their comeback, offer fees could be half price.” I think restoring gentleman status after five consecutive intimate encounters is a good idea, but half-price offer fees as a comeback celebration… Actually, that sounds good too. (笑) But if that happened, everyone’s eyes would start gleaming, and even when a woman gently declined, they’d say, “Please, just this once. I’m only one away from five”—even though that would actually be a lie—and resort to tearful pleading tactics. They’d end up being anything but gentlemen. (笑)
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だて◎ゆめ
👨 Male Universe member
I’m Date◎Yume, a male member. According to the free encyclopedia Wikipedia: “A gentleman is a man of high social standing, or someone who is well-versed in courtesy and manners.” If we apply that definition directly to dating clubs, using Mac’s example, a Black member who makes an offer to a Type C woman and gets turned down would be someone who honestly accepts reality by saying, “That’s too bad. I’ll come back another time,” and vows to improve himself so that he’ll be accepted next time. Does that sound about right...?
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紙ひこうき
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Hikōki, a male member. > “A man who makes an offer to a Type C woman and gets turned down has forfeited his status as a gentleman right then and there.” I’d say that’s true. He may not even qualify as an average, 50-point man anymore… The women come prepared to say yes as long as the man is clean and presentable—even if he’s far from handsome. That gentlemanly way of carrying yourself may only be possible for a brief ten-year period after turning 50, roughly during your 60s… Money isn’t enough. Words aren’t enough. And being kind doesn’t make an old man acceptable either. What I envy most is men in their 30s and 40s, still full of that drive—not just toward women, but toward time, money, and work. Once you reach your 50s, you’ve graduated from being a man. No matter how hard you try, you can’t regain that spark… What a shame. When you reach an age where you start becoming aware of the time you have left in life, there’s a way of living that you can only understand then. It isn’t bad, but it’s the only way you can live… Perhaps it’s a brief period that comes only after 60 years of experience—a time when you have both the room and the energy to accept aging and everything that comes with it…
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フラグメーカー
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Flagmaker, a columnist. I don’t think there are any perfect gentlemen here. Once you’re paying an allowance for an adult relationship (intimate), you’re not really a gentleman in the true sense of the word. By “gentleman,” I mean: “Someone who continues struggling to be a gentleman, even while wavering between his libido and his reason.” That’s what I think a gentleman is. But, to be honest, I do think: “Men should put on a good show and behave with good manners, while women should read between the lines and be kind.” In other words: The man acts cool and says, “I’ll support you without asking for anything in return,” while the woman catches the hint, says, “Thank you♡,” links arms with him, and starts walking toward the hotel. That seems like the ideal arrangement to me. The reason is that when I pretend to be a gentleman, I’m occasionally mistaken for a genuinely decent man who wouldn’t pressure a woman into an adult relationship (intimate)(笑). As a matter of fact, just the other day, a woman who mistook me for a gentleman made a pretty shameless request. I’m not a gentleman. If I were, I wouldn’t be hanging around a place like this(笑). The truth is, I’m just a horny bald guy—a bottom-of-the-barrel yokai who survives by leering at women. I may behave like a gentleman, but underneath it all, I’m just a horny guy. It would really help if women understood that. After a year of being registered with Universe, I’m finally starting to understand myself better. I can’t tell whether I’ve grown as a person or simply turned into an even hornier sleazebag(笑).
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迷わない70代
パパ活歴11年目、回答者歴8年目の関西在住者。パパ活終活中(笑)
Age: 70 or older 👨 Male Former Universe member
I’m a lost-in-life man in my 60s. > “Any man who makes an offer to a Type C woman and gets turned down forfeits his gentleman status right then and there.” Haha, it’s not like I’m trying to be a gentleman... Still, I’ve continued seeing someone who was originally Type A, and since I don’t pressure her for an adult relationship (intimate), she may see me as a gentleman. Of course, the fact that I’m a club member means I’m not exactly a gentleman, but perhaps I haven’t lost those basic gentlemanly qualities—like being considerate of a woman’s feelings. When I was in my 40s, people sometimes told me, “You’re quite dandy,” but somewhere along the way, I guess that changed to, “You’re such a gentleman.” Haha.
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