Tips Jun 4, 2020 10:51

The other day, I asked for advice after sincerely opening up about my dark outlook on life for the first time, only to be told, “That kind of thinking is exactly the type I hate most.”

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Thank you all for your helpful opinions. I’m glad I asked for advice, because I couldn’t stop crying from the embarrassment of exposing my darker side and the frustration of not being understood. There were a few points where I didn’t explain myself very well, so I’d like to add some clarification. > Rin, > It depends on how much you told him and how you said it, but > he may have felt that you met him with an “I don’t care what happens anymore” attitude. > “Are you the only one who thinks we’re close, have a good time together, and give each other energy? > Were you really approaching this so carelessly?”—perhaps something like that. Thank you. I think that’s very possible. Since meeting him, I’ve always tried to express my gratitude whenever he did something for me, and I thought I was showing him an almost excessive amount of affection: replying to his LINE messages immediately, always meeting him when he wanted to see me, and showing him through my actions that I cared about him. But every so often, memories of being bullied in the past come flooding back, and I end up feeling utterly hopeless. Also, around the end of last year, when he was struggling because of the emotional abuse he was receiving from his wife and saying things like, “As long as I’m married, I don’t deserve to be loved by you,” I supported him through that dark period. So this time, I thought it might be okay for me to talk about my own darker feelings too. So I ended up telling him something along the lines of: “I failed to achieve the job I’d always dreamed of, and I’m still haunted by memories of bullying and workplace harassment. There’s nothing left for me to do. I have no hope. Before joining the dating club, I once attempted to take my own life, but I couldn’t die in the end. Ever since then, I’ve been living with the feeling that I’m simply spending the rest of my life. I enjoy my work, but life is far too long to end it with work alone.” Reading it over again, it really is unbearably heavy, isn’t it? (laughs) As Rin pointed out, he may have thought, “Then what value do I have as the man you’re seeing? Even though I support you this much!? You always look like you’re having fun when we travel or go on dates!” Actually, shortly before that, we were talking about a friend who couldn’t find a partner because she was too demanding. I said, “I don’t understand why someone would be unable to find a partner just because they’re looking for their ideal person. If you want to date someone, you should think about it from a marketing perspective and adjust your standards if they’re too high.” Then he said, “So you’re dating me as a compromise too?” He also told me, “If you talk like that, people will think you’re cold,” “There’s nothing wrong with having ideals in love or in life,” and “There are all kinds of people in the world, so you’re not necessarily right.” I understand what he was trying to say, but my entire life has been one of repeatedly being betrayed despite holding on to my ideals. I can’t honestly think, “I was wrong! From now on, I’ll pursue my ideals and try my best again!” (To be completely honest, the only thing I can believe in right now is the steadily increasing balance in my bank account—not the sugary words of a married man. But I can’t say that, and I don’t think I should.) I understand that expecting empathy in this kind of relationship is wrong. But when he was struggling, I empathized with him, comforted him by telling him how difficult it must have been, and was thanked for it. So I thought it was give-and-take and ended up doing the same thing to him. Come to think of it, if you tell an entrepreneur who has started a business and is pursuing his dreams, “I have no hope or dreams in life,” it’s only natural that he would get furious. I deeply regret it. From now on, I’ll stop bringing up strange or depressing topics. But what should I say to him so that we can continue seeing each other successfully? Or should I tell him, “The real me is a gloomy former bullying victim, so I’m no longer the woman you idealized. I’m sorry,” and end things? He says he has no intention of breaking up, and our date this weekend is still on as planned. If possible, I’d like us to get along again too. I’m sorry to ask yet again, but could all you experienced people offer me your opinions once more?
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Meg
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Age: 50s 👩 Female Former Universe member
I’m Meg, one of the female members. Oh, I see! Sorry about that. I’m glad you were able to connect with someone who guided you in a positive direction. They say that every cloud has a silver lining. I hope this experience helps you build an even better relationship from here on out. I’ll be quietly cheering you on from the sidelines♪
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Age: 40s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Flag Maker, a column writer. That man probably isn’t used to heavy conversations. He couldn’t handle it and ended up shutting you out, I guess. He still seems pretty immature. Maybe he’s never seen hell and felt truly hopeless, lol. That said, it’s difficult to empathize 100% with another person in the first place. Even married couples often struggle to fully understand each other. All you can really do is listen and continue supporting him by staying by his side. You’re not married, after all, so just tell him things like, “I really do love you after all♡” and you should be fine. That alone will probably be enough to make things work.
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Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office here as well. > He says he has no intention of breaking up, and our date this weekend is still on. If possible, I’d like us to get along again too. Well… I think you already have your answer. Why not simply follow those feelings? Continue getting along and seeing each other as you have been. > It’s only “the number in my bank account increasing day by day.” There are quite a few women who enjoy saving money, so I think it’s perfectly normal. That said, if you say that outright, you may get criticized again, so as you said, choosing not to mention it may be the best option. Although, in general, I think most men wouldn’t be bothered by being told something like that. > I understand what you’re saying, but my whole life has been one of being betrayed whenever I held on to ideals. I can’t just think, “I was wrong! From now on, I’ll pursue my ideals and try again!” If he were someone who enjoyed debating, then having that discussion might be fine. But he doesn’t seem to be that kind of person, so even if you don’t feel that way, simply saying, “I see,” may be the key to getting along. If you did debate it, it might go something like this: “Whether it’s love or life, there’s nothing wrong with having ideals, is there?” “That’s true. But if it’s nothing more than an ideal, isn’t that just being a fantasist? For example, suppose someone’s ideal is to become a hero. But someone who only talks about it, without doing anything, has no ability to take action. There’s a difference between having an ideal and actually acting in the real world. And shouldn’t we also think about what to do when things don’t go according to our ideals?” “That may be true, but don’t you think there’s a difference between taking action in reality with no ideal at all and doing so while having an ideal?” “I see—that’s one way of looking at it. I thought it was best to focus on how to live in the real world rather than thinking about ideals that can’t be achieved. Could you explain specifically what difference it makes whether or not you have an ideal?” “That’s a good question. In practice, there may not be any difference. But if you focus only on reality, don’t you sometimes find yourself drifting further and further downward? When that happens, having an ideal can make you want to move even a little higher. You may not actually be able to get there most of the time, but I think the desire to move upward can at least keep you from sinking lower. That feeling is what has made me who I am today.” “I see. But even if you hold on to an ideal, wouldn’t being unable to reach it sometimes cause pain?” “That’s true. Those feelings can come up. But if you grit your teeth and keep going, maybe you’ll be able to move upward someday. I think I am who I am today because that’s what I’ve done.” … That’s probably the kind of discussion it would become. But rather than debating with the person you’re seeing, I think it would be more worthwhile to simply cherish the time you spend together.
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スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Seattle, a male member. You don’t have to decide right away whether it’s black or white, so compromise and keep seeing him for now. You don’t have to agree with him—just pretend you’ve taken about half of what he said to heart, and that should be fine. Saving money is great, isn’t it? It’s fun. Find a hobby too, and enjoy the life you’ve been given. Once you’re 18 or older, you can escape the bullying crowd at any time.
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I’m Rin, a female member. The memories of being bullied never really disappear, no matter how happy you are now, do they? I don’t remember my middle school trip either, because the bullying started on the bus ride there. I think you’re a kind person. You put up your defenses in advance so that neither your friends nor you will get hurt. I think that’s perfectly okay. If you stay as you are, I believe that someday you’ll meet people and find a place where you can finally set yourself free. The person you’re seeing this time seems like someone who can use his hardships as fuel and leap forward, but when he was struggling emotionally, you were the one supporting him. I think he probably has vulnerable sides beneath the surface as well, so if being with him isn’t painful for you, perhaps you should continue seeing him. If you stop feeling any positives—such as respecting him socially, feeling grateful for his financial support, or enjoying the time you spend together—then you can simply walk away. You both have your own complicated circumstances, and you met and spend time together as part of a transactional relationship. Perhaps you could focus on and share the positive aspects, while keeping things within those boundaries. Sorry for the long reply, but I think the time to quit is when you start feeling emotionally burdened. In the real world, there are many important relationships that still cause us emotional strain whether we like it or not. Perhaps it would help to think of this club activity as something that allows you to live happily despite that.
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Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Hikoki, a male member. I get the sense that you’re much kinder, more sensitive, and more delicate than the people around you realize. Because you assume that the other person is just as concerned as you are, you probably end up being overly considerate, which can leave you struggling with a great deal of stress. From the way the man spoke, though, it sounds like he isn’t concerned about it at all. I imagine he’ll act as if nothing happened, almost as though he’s forgotten about it. Ideally, you should do the same, but… You’re not the kind of person who can take things that easily, are you? At the very least, things have continued between you and this man up to now. Compared with the rest of the world, which can be painful and stressful, wouldn’t you say he’s probably one of the less stressful parts of your life? It sounds like you’re also working, so even if there are no particular problems with your job or surroundings, I imagine you’re someone who uses a lot of emotional energy on all sorts of things and easily feels overwhelmed by stress. Perhaps you could think of this man as an oasis—the one place where you can receive some “water” (an allowance). As I read your post, I felt that, going forward, you need to find work and an environment that suit you and involve as little stress as possible. I hope your current club and this man can be important sources of support as you move toward that future.
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