Tips May 13, 2020 21:31

It’s painful that he absolutely can’t understand that I’m not materialistic.

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I’m struggling. Until before COVID, I used to see a man I’ll call A once a week. He’s a 46-year-old company president, and we have a monthly arrangement. Lately, though, things between us have become tense. He likes luxury foreign cars and high-end hotels, and most of his clothes are designer brands. He goes to the hair salon almost every month and seems to spend a considerable amount on his appearance each year. But I’ve never been interested in brands. I buy my clothes on Mercari, and since I hardly ever use up my cosmetics, I spend only a few tens of thousands of yen a year. I also hate going to the hair salon. I naturally have long, straight black hair, and it’s silky straight—good or bad—so I only go twice a year to have the length adjusted. I used to work in Ginza, but I was perfectly happy with the dresses customers bought for me. My designer bags were hand-me-downs from the older girls. I think I’ve always had very little desire for material things. Rather than spending money on designer goods to dress myself up, I’d rather spend it on books, travel, healthcare expenses—I’m fond of vitamin IV drips and go regularly—or large gifts for my family. I save whatever is left for the future. I get satisfaction from not spending money and live for looking at the number in my bank account and grinning. That’s why I work and do papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). But A doesn’t understand this way of thinking at all. He seems to think I’m just putting on a front. For my birthday last year, A took me to several boutiques in Roppongi and tried to buy me a bag. But I get so nervous just entering luxury brand stores that I broke out in a cold sweat, and I begged him to let me refuse the gift. I hate the idea of paying hundreds of thousands of yen for a mere bag—it feels too nouveau riche. Even though I don’t want to waste money like that, A keeps saying, “You’re really holding back your desire for material things, aren’t you? What are you saving all that money for? You really want to go to the hair salon, don’t you?” I genuinely have no desire for material things, and I only dislike hair salons because they’re exhausting. But it’s painful to be told over and over, “You do want those things, don’t you?!” We’re compatible when it comes to the monthly allowance and the intimate side of things, so I don’t plan to end the relationship. What could I say to make A understand? Also, could you tell me how to help these brand-loving older men who assume that any young woman must like luxury goods understand that people like me exist too?
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🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office here as well. > We get along well physically, and I appreciate the monthly allowance, so I have no intention of breaking up with him. But how should I explain it so that A will understand? I completely understand wanting the other person to understand your point of view. But they feel the same way. You both want the other person to understand a different perspective. In a situation like this, it seems that one of you will need to compromise. I think you should simply pretend you’ve developed an interest in material things and happily accept the presents. It won’t reduce your own money, and if it makes the other person happy, I think you can do that much for them. I assume you mean that you don’t want their money to decrease or want them to waste it. But I think it would be better to set that aside and prioritize thinking about what would make them happy. Also, if you choose birthday gifts that retain their value well, your loss will be minimal, and you’ll be able to convert them to cash if necessary. It might be a good idea to research which brands have the highest resale value. Actually, pure gold may have the highest resale value, so you could say, “I’ve never seen a 1 kg gold bar before, so I’d love one as a present.” (It would cost around 6.5 million yen right now, so you’d only be saying it as a joke. LOL) More realistically, you could ask for something like a one-ounce Vienna Philharmonic gold coin or a one-ounce Canadian Maple Leaf gold coin. I think they retain around 90% of their value, and if gold prices continue to rise, their resale value could eventually exceed 100%. (Gold was 4,335 yen per gram in August 2018, but 5,862 yen per gram in April 2020, so even at a 90% buyback rate, its value has increased.) They’ll probably say, “That’s not what I meant!” LOL By the way, Rolex is famous for men’s watches because they apparently have a high resale value compared with other watches. I’ve heard people say that they can come in handy if anything ever happens. Wishing you continued happiness together!
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🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Flagmaker, a columnist. I understand how you feel. My wife is exactly the same way. That said, I think the stress caused by differences in values like this is one of those common issues that often comes up in relationships and between people who are close. My answer is similar to Mac’s, but while you can’t understand why men think that way, I believe the men probably feel the same way about you. The concept of cognitive behavioral therapy may offer some insight into dealing with this stress. Put simply, it means changing the way you look at things. For example, suppose you’re stressed because you can’t communicate well with an unreasonable boss and get yelled at whenever something happens. If your thinking stops at “It’s my boss’s fault for being unreasonable” or “There’s no point in saying anything,” that won’t solve anything. It may feel a little strange, but trying to understand your boss’s way of thinking and finding the courage to express your own feelings may help reduce the stress. Being in a higher position doesn’t necessarily mean someone has better character. Your boss is just another person. As a middle manager, they’re constantly under pressure over performance, always irritated, and looking for someone to take it out on. Given their position, reprimanding “underperforming subordinates” is also part of their job. And on top of that, there’s me—someone who can’t communicate well and isn’t able to do what’s expected. So from my boss’s perspective, getting angry with me may seem completely natural and justified. Thinking about it that way can help reduce, to some extent, the tendency to add your own interpretations to being yelled at—such as “Maybe they hate me”—and make the stress even worse. In other words, you try to understand the other person’s thinking on your own, change the way you perceive the situation, and reduce your stress. I’m no expert, so I may have it wrong, though ^^; For that man, the purpose of making money is to enjoy luxury, and that’s what makes him happy. The dating club may be one of those luxuries, and giving gifts to women may be part of the enjoyment for him. Just as you’re happy to save money, his values make him happy to earn money and spend it on luxury. So he assumes other people feel the same way and wants to give you gifts because he wants to make you happy—and because giving gifts and indulging himself is enjoyable for him. It’s not that he’s ignoring your feelings and trying to force his values on you. This may only reduce your stress without actually solving anything, but in this case, perhaps you could assume that his underlying feelings are “I want to make you happy” and “Giving you gifts makes me happy,” and offer him a different kind of reward. Also, have you really made it clear to him that you genuinely prefer money? If you’ve simply given up because your values are different, expressing more firmly that what you want is money may help lead to a solution.
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Meg
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Age: 50s 👩 Female Former Universe member
I’m Meg, a female member. Maybe things turned awkward because I got a little defensive, wanting the other person to understand my way of thinking. If you don’t intend to break things off, use the skills you’ve developed so far: - Don’t try to change the other person. - Smile and say thank you when they offer you something, and accept it for the time being. (After that, do as you please.) Getting along smoothly—that’s business. If he says, “You’re materialistic, aren’t you!?” you could just laugh it off with something like, “Oh, I come across that way? Haha.” That said, you wrote that this is painful for you. Constantly holding yourself back can be incredibly stressful. If you feel you’ve had enough, you can always walk away. There are people who will accept you just as you are—simple and genuine.
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マックさん
🏅 日没を遅らせる唯一の方法は日没に向かって走り続けることだ
名古屋支店登録で、男性会員としての登録名もマックさんです。コラム多数書いてますのでよろしければご参照ください。20代の細身女性が好みで逆オファーには前向きです。経験無いまたは少ない方大歓迎。
Age: 60s 👨 Male Universe member
This is Mac, the column writer. It’ll be difficult to get him to understand, so you’re better off giving up. More importantly, you should try to understand him. Brands are a source of confidence for people who lack substance. Weak people arm themselves with brands as armor. If you tell someone like him that brands are pointless, you may hurt him. Start by making up with him by saying, “I’ve thought it over, and you’re right. Thanks to you, I’m starting to understand the appeal of brands too.” If you worked in Ginza, I would have thought you’d developed enough tact to hide your true feelings and go along with the other person—but were you just young, pretty, and constantly spoiled? A papa-katsu older man isn’t your future husband, so there’s absolutely no need for him to understand your values. Why are you taking this so seriously?
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🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member. I’m not interested in designer brands either. When you’re from Kansai, people sometimes brag about how cheaply they live—for example, saying, “The person with the highest balance at our branch owns an entire outfit that cost only a few hundred yen…” I have no interest in spending money on alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, or games, either. Among celebrities, Nishikawa apparently owns 30 pairs of socks that are all the same, and Steve Jobs wore the same black outfit every day… I totally agree that it’s incredibly rational. Why not just wear whatever works? So I suppose everyone is different—almost like different species. That said, I do think people who are alike in those respects probably get along more easily and smoothly overall… P.S. What the beautiful women who joined the club say… “Luxury cars, luxury hotels, fancy meals… If you’re going to waste money on stuff like that, just give me the money…” “Gifts worth over 100,000 yen… I don’t need that. Just give me the money…” I’m too honest for my own good, so I can’t take women from the club to fancy restaurants… I give them the money instead and keep things modest. Then the club scolded me, saying, “Don’t take them somewhere so cheap…” I wonder if that was from one of the girls who gave me a zero… (;_;)
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シアトル
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m a male member based in Seattle. I’m not interested in designer clothes either. I might only own clothes from Uniqlo and Shimamura. I spend my money on travel. For gifts, I just give cash—including for White Day. I think everyone should do what works for them. I do like luxury hotels, though.
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