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May 10, 2020 14:23
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I had been seeing someone who recently made me an offer for about a month.
We had an adult relationship (intimate), and he gave me an allowance of 50,000 yen per meeting. When I realized I would be on my period on the day we were supposed to meet, I told him in advance. He said he still wanted to see me, so we spent time at a hotel watching movies and enjoying a hotel date.
However, he didn’t give me any allowance. When I asked him about it, he said that there was no allowance for trips, meals, musicals, or other dates—he only gave me 50,000 yen when we had sex.
Honestly, I was shocked.
Whether we end up having sex on a date depends on how things go, and the thought of having to go on dates without knowing whether I’ll receive an allowance made me feel uneasy.
Am I the one thinking about this incorrectly? I always assumed that I would receive an allowance when we went on a date…
I told him I was too uncomfortable to continue seeing him and ended things, but I still find myself wondering whether I should have continued (;_;)
What would you all do?
6 answers
Meg
Female
Send a reverse offer to this responder
🏅 修行の身
光と影
Age: 50s
👩 Female
Former Universe member
I’m Meg, a female member.
No way.
There’s no need to hesitate over this one.
I hope you find a great papa (a male supporter) like Mr. Kamihikōki♪
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Date◎Yume, a male member.
> I turned down any further dates because I felt uneasy, but now I can’t help wondering if I should have continued seeing him instead (;_;)
Even though it’s a dating club, it still comes down to a man and a woman. I don’t think anyone can say for sure whether ending the relationship was the right or wrong choice.
In your case, you’ve decided not to go on dates without money being involved. I think that’s perfectly fine in its own way.
Aside from that, Papua’s “P.S.” was good(笑).
Other
I’m BB7, a male member.
Your “common sense” isn’t necessarily the other person’s. Just because you think, “Normally, it would be…” doesn’t mean they see it the same way.
If you don’t properly understand this utterly obvious(笑)basic principle of human relationships—and make a point of confirming each other’s intentions and ways of thinking early on—you’ll keep running into similar relationship problems over and over, everywhere and forever.
As an aside:
It’s also pretty common for someone to keep going along with whatever the other person wants without expressing their own wishes, then complain about it afterward. I seem to remember someone saying that’s nothing more than entitlement.
I vaguely recall that in Takeo Doi’s *The Anatomy of Dependence*, which I read when I was a student, it said that there’s no foreign word that perfectly matches the Japanese concept of “amae,” and that amae is a uniquely Japanese cultural trait. Or maybe it didn’t.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Paper Airplane, a male member.
I’m such an idiot—I end up giving more allowance to women when there’s no sex involved…
There’s no way I’d continue seeing a woman if I didn’t find her valuable…
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office here as well.
> I turned him down because I felt uneasy about continuing to see him, but now I can’t help wondering whether I should have continued after all (;_;)
You made the right decision by turning down any further relationship.
It’s obvious that more and more of his personal rules would have come up later.
For example:
“Since you didn’t do oral today, I’ll give you 30,000 yen,”
“You couldn’t do it twice, so you only get half,”
“If you’re the one who initiates, I’ll only give you 20,000 yen,”
and so on.
I’m sure there would have been plenty of other rules sprung on you after the fact, too.
You would probably have been repeatedly shocked and disappointed. I think being involved with a man like that would eventually wear you down emotionally.
That said, if you were confident you could stay one step ahead of him and manipulate him instead, you could have kept him around as a pay-per-meeting arrangement.
You’d have to approach him from the start assuming he was the worst kind of person and avoid becoming emotionally invested.
You’d meet him in a somewhat businesslike manner, while acting affectionate on the surface as if you really liked him. Then, every time he invited you out, you’d confirm the amount beforehand.
If you could handle things that way, it might actually have worked out surprisingly well.
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member from Seattle.
The man is clearly at fault here.
If it was meant to be a no-intimacy arrangement, he should have discussed and agreed on the terms before meeting. It’s fine for the woman to ask about it, right? If she has the time, she could even make a little money to pass the time. It doesn’t have to be the same amount.