Why do men dislike being treated like ATMs? Isn’t it because they want to pay to date and have sex with young women? They pay a membership fee to join a dating club, pay an introduction fee, go on dates with women, pay an allowance, have sex with young women, and then keep paying because they want a brief moment of comfort and healing...
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None of the above is possible without money.
I really don’t understand the idea that they shouldn’t be treated like ATMs.
For women, I suppose it would be like saying, “Don’t view me as an object of sexual desire!” I think it’s the same as women who ask for 50,000 or 100,000 yen for dinner only (no intimacy).
Women like that get criticized, but in the papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) world, men who insist they shouldn’t be treated like ATMs seem to receive a lot of sympathy.
If they don’t want to be treated like ATMs, shouldn’t they simply rely on their personality rather than money, win over a young woman, and take things all the way to sex?
They can’t—or don’t want to—do that, so they spend money. In other words, in the papa-katsu world:
Men = first and foremost, ATMs + added value
Women = first and foremost, sex + added value
Why won’t so many men admit this? Most women are doing their best to have sex with older men because they want the allowance.
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My guess is that even when a man pays an allowance and things develop into an adult relationship (intimate), he eventually convinces himself that she agreed because he was special to her—and assigns it a meaning beyond the allowance-based relationship.
He interprets “women have the right to say no” in a way that suits him, gets excited at first, and then, as they continue seeing each other, realizes, “Wait, this isn’t what I imagined.” He stops being satisfied with just an allowance-based relationship and starts thinking, “I’m not an ATM.”
Then he wonders if there might be an even better woman out there and makes an offer to someone new.
It’s an endless loop.
I realized that I’ve gotten caught up in this loop myself without even noticing.
These dating clubs are really well designed, haha.
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I’m Date◎Yume, a male member.
> Men are, first and foremost, ATMs + added value.
> Women are, first and foremost, sex + added value.
> Why don’t so many men acknowledge this? Most women are making an effort to have sex with older men in exchange for an allowance.
I think it’s probably because, even while thinking,
“Yeah, that’s true…”
they also feel:
“Give some credit to my added value too…
What’s your added value?”
and so on.
I imagine that’s where many of them can relate.
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I’m Basil, a male member.
Most male members know full well that without the power of money—in other words, an ATM—they wouldn’t be able to date younger women.
They’re simply frustrated with the women who keep adding extra demands little by little after the initial agreement, acting as though it’s only natural.
Those who handle things skillfully may be doted on as “little devils,” but I think the key is whether you can convey your humility to the other person.
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I’m a BB7 male member.
Are you trolling? I’d rather just go fishing and relax in nature. These days, even going fishing gets you treated like an unpatriotic citizen.
“I don’t understand why men don’t like being treated like ATMs!” If you don’t understand, then I don’t think you need to. And if you want to loudly insist that women are working hard dealing with old men, then by all means, keep saying it as much as you like.
Please focus on maintaining your own mental health. COVID-related stress has led to increases in depression, domestic violence, and abuse. Mental health consultation services are also available through local governments across Japan.
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I’m Seattle, a male member.
You’re absolutely right about what you wrote.
If you want to withdraw a lot from the ATM, it may help to build up a balance by pretending to be affectionate first. Then you might be able to withdraw quite a bit.
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Some male members even say, “I’m pretty impressive as an ATM, aren’t I?”
So not every man dislikes being treated like an ATM.
Some actually take pride in how generous their “ATM performance” is. (（笑))
But I think it’s similar to how few women brag about having large breasts. Women with larger breasts usually don’t like the subject being brought up.
They want people to see them as a person, not just focus on their breasts.
It’s the same for men. They understand that money is important, but they don’t want people to see only their money.
They want people to see them for who they are.
In that sense, men and women are alike. That said, some men are perfectly fine with women focusing only on their money, while some women are perfectly fine with men focusing only on their sexual side.
However, at Universe Club, I think relationships tend to work out better when both people are able to look at each other as a whole, rather than focusing on just one aspect.
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I’m Meg, a female member.
It must be really hard. You may have a lot on your mind, but I hope you’ll use this space to let it all out and vent to your heart’s content.
I hope you’re blessed with a wonderful papa (male supporter) from here on.
> Mac
I remember you (*^^*)
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I’m Paper Airplane, a male member.
I think you’re absolutely right. I assume everyone understands that.
> In the papa-katsu world:
> Men = first and foremost ATMs + added value
> Women = first and foremost sex + added value
Exactly.
> All you have to do is win them over with your personality rather than relying on money, and get a young woman to sleep with you.
That’s right.
P.S. Mac,
What an incredible world.
It’s true—you could say women are ATMs that only dispense two million yen. I could probably find that much by searching through the pockets of the clothes I’m wearing right now…
This week, I suddenly remembered the day before that I was supposed to sign a contract for a property generating hundreds of millions in revenue, so I got up early and started getting ready—only to receive an email from the realtor saying, “See you tomorrow.”
The next day, the contract, payment, and important-matters explanation for the multimillion-yen property were all over in just a little more than ten minutes. I’ll go look at properties worth hundreds of millions, make an instant decision in a matter of minutes, and impulse-buy them.
Women are the most valuable things in this world, so I make decisions within seconds and spend what I want on women I intend to enjoy…
The question is almost too obvious to even need asking…
Both the men and women involved in papa-katsu have already crossed a certain line, after all…
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