Tips Dec 12, 2019 00:56

I found the following comment in the section listing female members’ feedback on the club’s official website. ⤵︎

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“His first impression was good, and I really enjoyed the meal. He told me he still wanted to spend more time together, and since only about an hour and a half had passed, I thought we might be moving to another restaurant. I told him I had plenty of time, but then he put me in a taxi and took me to a love hotel. I didn’t realize that wanting to spend more time together meant that.” I’m a female member myself, but if someone told me after dinner, an hour and a half in, that he still wanted to spend more time together, wouldn’t most people suspect that he meant going to a hotel? It didn’t say what this woman’s dating type was, so of course I assume the man must have been at least partly at fault too. But if I’m being honest, I find myself thinking that this was more a lack of communication on her part… (Sorry.) What do all you experienced respondents think?
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I’m a BB7 male member. Back in my twenties, I once told a woman, “Let’s stay together all night,” and she replied, “But you’re already here.” Another time, I asked, “Will you go out with me?” and she said, “Go where?” I don’t think they were just trying to dodge the question—they genuinely seemed innocent and completely naïve. If a woman is a B-type, still young and inexperienced, or has little experience with men, I suppose things like that can happen.
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だて◎ゆめ
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I’m だて◎ゆめ, a male member. This doesn’t really answer your question, but please bear with me as I share another possible approach. I’m well past my younger years, but I’m not very good at picking up hints or relying on unspoken understanding. And I’m definitely not the type for “45 minutes to the back,” so I start with dinner only (no intimacy). We talk about various things, and I’ll say, “How about we go together next time?” I make sure to give her time to think and some space before we meet again. If we’re able to meet on the next date, then we go together—that’s the approach I take. I wouldn’t call this “the composure of a mature adult,” but I do think dinner-only dates can be quite nice. Even if we don’t make it to a second date, I feel that’s the true meaning of having the composure of a mature adult. If she doesn’t come to the second date, I’m not worried at all. There are plenty of other candidates. The offer fee and transportation costs are a trivial expense. What matters far more is whether we can actually start seeing each other, since that has a much greater impact on the time and money spent afterward. Fortunately, no one has canceled a second date with me using this approach so far.
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スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I’m Seattle, a male member. Women also need to be able to read between the lines, but judging from the men’s feedback, the man is at fault in this case. It’s important for both sides to confirm things clearly. Mac is someone like Daibutsu-san.
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お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office will answer as well. Since the impression can change when things are taken out of context, I’m posting the full text. “His first impression was good, and I really enjoyed the meal. He told me he wanted to stay together longer. Since we’d only been on the date for about an hour and a half, I assumed we were moving to another restaurant, so I said I had plenty of time. But after taking me in a taxi, he brought me to a love hotel. I never thought that ‘wanting to stay together’ meant that. He said an allowance of 3 would be fine, but I naturally understood that as simply covering the cost of the date. When I told him that I couldn’t suddenly agree to something like that without any discussion or negotiation, he said, ‘Then I’m leaving,’ and walked out. I didn’t think that was an appropriate attitude for an adult man. I was also extremely offended that he assumed I would readily go to a hotel with him. I do agree that something like that could happen if we hit it off, but taking me somewhere like that without discussing anything was completely unacceptable. To customers whose goal is that kind of thing, I strongly recommend using an adult entertainment establishment. I would also like the club to ask him to be more careful with his choice of words. It was extremely unpleasant.” When I looked into it, I found that this man had received similar complaints from other women in the past. “He headed to the hotel as if it were completely normal without saying anything, and got angry when money was brought up.” It was very similar to what happened this time. There was also the following feedback: “I actually noticed within seconds of meeting him that his fingernails were overgrown. Also, perhaps because of the alcohol, I didn’t appreciate being called ‘you’ in such a rude way upon our first meeting.” “I was uncomfortable that he told me about his own class, comments, setting fee, and so on.” “We didn’t have matching expectations, so there won’t be a next time.” “I thought he was an extremely assertive person. Even though I repeatedly asked him to use protection, I disliked the fact that he didn’t.” “His breath was very unpleasant, so I indirectly declined by saying that I was nervous because it was my first time.”
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出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s 👨 Male Universe member
In my 30s and new to the site I’m not some seasoned veteran, and even now I still get nervous when bringing up an adult relationship (intimate). That said, I feel like combining “I’d still like to spend some more time together after this” with “let’s take a taxi” makes it pretty clear that the destination is a hotel. Personally, though, I like the kind of innocent, inexperienced vibe the woman who wrote that survey had. Also, I think the male member probably picked up from the atmosphere that “she doesn’t realize we’re going to a hotel,” yet went along with it anyway. And if he really couldn’t read the situation, then I think he bears some responsibility too.
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斉藤さんだぞ♪
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This is Saito, the column writer ♪ Well… it’s hard to say without knowing the overall atmosphere. Some men don’t give off any indication that they’re looking for an adult relationship (intimate), and I think it’s also good manners for men to clarify things to some extent. Basically, I think it was simply a mismatch, and that the woman just wanted to be paid for dinner only (no intimacy). I’d say she was probably a Dating Type B. With 10,000 men and women altogether, it’s important not to make assumptions about what all women or all men value.
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