To avoid any misunderstanding, I’ve tried to quote the original messages as closely as possible.
This was during a conversation about allowances with a male member of Universe (not my papa).
“I have a girl I support on a fixed monthly allowance.
I pay the equivalent of the gift tax on her behalf, so it’s as if her allowance is lower.
There’s always a possibility that the tax office could come after her someday, and then the money would become something she couldn’t use openly.
For example, if a papa and a girl ended things badly and the papa got angry enough to report her to the tax office, then if he submitted all the receipts for the clothes he bought her along with everything else, the woman could be investigated for the past several years in one go and have all her assets taken away. Cases like that have actually happened.
That’s why I’m doing this for my girlfriend, to make sure that doesn’t happen to her.
Personally, I believe this is the very definition of sincerity. What do you think?
Income on which taxes haven’t been paid is just like money from selling drugs—you can’t use it unless you launder it.”
That’s what I received.
Since I didn’t really understand what he meant, he even sent me a link to an anonymous Q&A post from Universe about gift tax in the past, followed by:
“Wouldn’t you say the situation seems to support what I’m saying?
I thought I had completely argued you into submission, so I’m feeling pretty regretful now. I went too far stating the obvious.”
Leaving aside all the childish, needling remarks… (In the end, I got so irritated by them that I could no longer understand his real intentions.)
Of course, I know that gift tax exists.
So it’s not that I fail to understand everything this male member is saying.
I certainly have no desire to evade taxes either.
However, if that’s the case, then what about money completely unrelated to a dating club—for example, New Year’s cash gifts from relatives or pocket money from my parents? If all of that adds up to more than ¥1.1 million, does everyone pay gift tax on that too?
Where is the line drawn?
How is it proven?
That’s what I found myself wondering, since I don’t have much knowledge about this.
What do all of you do?
I don’t even know whether that man actually pays gift tax, but realistically, if everyone else is reporting their dating allowances and paying gift tax on them, I’d like to understand the situation properly and change my approach right away as well (although I don’t know whether the amount would actually be taxable…).
However, I’m not given an itemized statement saying when I received how much, so… I’d really appreciate it if you could tell me how you handle this.
※I’ve also told this man that I would be posting this here.
I’m Saito, the columnist♪
LOL
It’s too much trouble, so I’ll stop answering.
Pay enough taxes to attract a special tax investigation.
If this exchange is all there is, your earnings can’t be much.
I also know the woman mentioned in Papuwa-san’s addendum. She’s published a book too, and it’s pretty interesting.
I’m not saying everything in it is true, though.
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I’m Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office.
Why address me by name?
Well, whatever.
> Based on what you’ve said, it sounds like you’re saying that people don’t have to pay taxes if they don’t have a gift agreement.
That’s completely wrong.
I never wrote anything like that.
I believe I clearly wrote that it would be better to pay the taxes.
As for the gift agreement, I also wrote, “Normally, an agreement can be成立 verbally as well.” I don’t understand how that could be interpreted as saying you don’t have to pay taxes without a gift agreement.
More importantly, isn’t it more problematic to advise people on a method of tax evasion that supposedly can’t be discussed here, by saying something like:
“I won’t explain the method here, but for long-term arrangements, I consult with a tax accountant and take steps to ensure the woman isn’t disadvantaged tax-wise.”
If it isn’t tax evasion, then please explain the method properly.
In the first place, the Q&A section is a place where people answer questions in good faith. Saying, “I know about this and handle things this way, but I won’t answer here,” makes no sense.
If you don’t want to answer, then I think you simply shouldn’t mention that you know about it in the first place. If you know but won’t share, it just comes across as bragging.
Even the other respondent’s polished writing somehow turned into strange wording after being criticized.
In this case, I feel the reaction has been excessively overblown.
I believe personal exchanges directed at specific individuals were prohibited in the Q&A section, but for some reason I was addressed personally there, so I felt compelled to respond.
P.S. Since personal exchanges here are off-topic, I’ve removed the addressee’s name and added a few details.
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Maezawa from the Corporate Planning Office here as well.
The moment he writes “income on which taxes haven’t been paid,” you can tell that this man doesn’t know much about taxes.
“Wait, it’s a gift, so why is he calling it income? What is this guy talking about?”
That’s the kind of reaction it gives me. It’s so completely inaccurate that it’s hard to make sense of. You’d think a little research would clear this up, so I can’t understand why he would write something like that.
With that in mind, I think it would be wise to stop seeing this man. I don’t think you’ll gain much from the relationship.
You might get money out of it, but he’s essentially trying to haggle you down, right? Is there really any point in continuing to see someone who’s trying to underpay you?
I think you’d be happier in life if you looked for another man—someone you could share more enjoyable time with.
As for gift tax, it does need to be reported, but the recipient of the gift is the one responsible for filing the declaration.
> It’s not as though I’m given a statement saying when I received how much… Could everyone please tell me how you handle this?
Normally, you would need a gift agreement, so you might want to have him prepare and sign one every time if he says things like that.
While an agreement can normally be made verbally, someone who says things like that might later change their story. I think it would be better to have everything formally documented.
You could simply say, “As you suggested, I’ll be properly reporting the gift, so please put it in writing.”
Gift Agreement
The donor, [name of male member], hereinafter referred to as Party A, and the recipient, [name of female member], hereinafter referred to as Party B, hereby enter into the following gift agreement.
Article 1: Party A agrees to gift Party B ¥____ in cash, and Party B accepts the gift.
To certify this agreement, this document is prepared and signed and sealed by both parties.
Reiwa ____ Year, ____ Month, ____ Day
Donor (Party A)
Address: ___________________________
Name: ______________________ Seal
Recipient (Party B)
Address: ___________________________
Name: ______________________ Seal
Incidentally, I’ve heard that the statute of limitations for gift tax is seven years in cases involving deliberate nonpayment.
I think properly paying your taxes will give you peace of mind as well.
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A new member in her 30s
I understand what the man was trying to say, but saying something like that without considering how it might be received—especially when they haven’t even built a relationship yet—makes him seem like a creepy, difficult person.
It may have come from a place of kindness, but honestly, he seems like the type I’d rather not get involved with.
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I’m だて◎ゆめ, one of the male members.
The topic of taxes gets pretty lively since it affects so many people（笑）
Everyone has already given appropriate answers about gift tax, so I’ll offer a different perspective…
Japan is promoting cashless payments these days, but when you think about it, it seems cash can be useful too, depending on how you use it.
Apparently, I’m not the only one who feels that way（笑）
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