If someone is a celebrity—an influencer with around 10,000 Instagram followers—and is registered as an idol, singer, model, or entertainer, how much allowance would be appropriate?
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If I’ve been meeting office ladies for 50,000 yen, would someone like that meet me for about the same amount?
Between models, idols, and idol-singers, which would be less expensive for an adult relationship (intimate)?
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At the 10,000-follower level, there are plenty of them, so maybe around 10.
For Emiri Otani, with her 930,000 followers, maybe 3,000.
If she’s a model or idol, there are plenty of women like that among the female members, so 5. If a well-mannered male member has been paying 5 and the arrangement has continued, I think an office lady would be the same.
If she can make a living as a singer, that’s cool, so 8. For a major female celebrity, 10.
Honestly, I’m sorry that us old, scruffy guys have such discerning tastes. In the end, the only women who stick around are the ones who are fun to talk to, more than just good-looking.
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For influencer deals, the general rule of thumb is that the amount equals the number of followers—50,000 followers means ¥50,000. With 10,000 followers, you probably can’t really call yourself an influencer.
If someone has 10,000 followers while also having a legitimate main career as an idol, singer, model, or talent, then depending on the field, they’re doing fairly well. But everyone is struggling financially.
Honestly, I wish people wouldn’t lump these four professions together. It makes this incredibly difficult to answer.
For idols, singers, and talents, being recognized is absolutely fatal, so ideally they should ask one trustworthy papa (a male supporter) who will keep their secret to support them. It’s less like papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) and more like having a patron.
Models come in all kinds, too. If someone is merely registered with a modeling agency, it can basically be like a part-time job as long as they’re attractive. And among girls who list “model” as their occupation on Universe Club, many are actually working in the adult entertainment industry. The range is just that broad.
If you want someone to take a liking to you, I suppose the key is to clearly show that you intend to provide generous, ongoing support.
I’m currently supporting two people. I won’t write anything specific—including their fields—in either my answers or my columns.
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If a woman is already popular or isn’t struggling financially, there’s no real need for her to join Universe, so I don’t think she’s all that different from other women.
I’m submissive myself, so this may not be very helpful, but for women in that world—whether they’re with Universe or independent—it often means becoming more of a comforting papa than a papa-katsu papa…
They might call you over when they’re not wearing makeup, are in their pajamas, or even while they’re at work, and you go to them like that…
Of course, it’s more like being there for emotional comfort, so no allowance is involved… (This isn’t through Universe.) The more popular a woman is, the less she needs that kind of arrangement.
Every woman has her own way of thinking and using these relationships, so I think what she wants—and what each person provides—depends on the circumstances and the other person.
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Which one is cheaper?
You really can’t know for sure until you meet and talk with all three of them. Rather than being determined by their job titles, isn’t it more about how popular they are?
Even if she’s an office lady, if she’s in high demand, some people will offer a higher allowance, so it’ll naturally end up costing more.
For now, make offers to all three and ask them directly.
I’m looking forward to hearing how it turns out.
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It depends on the person.
By “the person,” I mean not only the woman you’re meeting, but also your appeal as a man.
Her dating preferences probably matter too.
I’ve met several women who are fairly well-known, and among the B1 women who agreed to an adult relationship (intimate) from the third meeting onward, none of them ever rejected the allowance you’re offering.
They probably really do prioritize the person.
I’m not saying you’re more likely to succeed with B1 women or anything. There have been plenty of women it didn’t work out with, too.
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Women in the entertainment industry who are well-known enough for people in the scene to recognize them by face are, honestly, extremely rare in dating clubs—aside from AV actresses.
And if they’re at the level where nobody knows who they are, I don’t think they command much of a premium, to be honest. If they can stand out by being great conversationalists, skilled in bed, and able to share behind-the-scenes stories from the industry, they might be able to turn someone into a good long-term papa.
I actually like women from that world, so I do send them offers, but most are just wannabe celebrities. I’ve met a few aspiring talents who were genuinely serious about it, and I’ve had long-term arrangements with them. Women working in an industry unfamiliar to me tend to have interesting things to talk about, which makes spending time with them enjoyable.
In conclusion, when it comes to wannabe celebrities—including influencers—their polish usually wears off as soon as you meet them. They may attract an initial offer, but I don’t think they’ll lead to finding a good long-term papa. Especially when you add a premium to the allowance, it will often end after just one meeting.
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It probably depends on the person.
Even if they haven’t gone that far, on Patro there are plenty of people who are underground idols, entertainers, gravure models, or regular models.
And plenty of them look less attractive than Fuu’s regulars from daytime jobs, so I guess allowances vary a lot too.
For the kind of level you’re looking for, on a club it would probably be the Black tier, or you’d get connected with an attender (referrer) separately from the club—somewhere from several hundred thousand to several million yen?
Fuu usually makes offers mainly to women with regular daytime jobs, but for the experience, I’ve also made offers to an underground idol and an independent gravure model (whatever that is).
Apparently, they provide swimsuit photos and videos as material for social media—underground gravure, lol.
In club-profile terms:
- Their sense of money was average or below average.
- It was difficult for both of them to coordinate times to meet.
- The underground idol didn’t have much of a clean, well-groomed appearance, so I turned her down myself.
- She seemed like the trendy “skipping showers” type, lol.
By the way, there were also about two amateur AV actresses. I only found out they were AV actresses after making the offer.
One of them told me herself afterward. (Hearing about the person behind the scenes and the industry was pretty interesting.)
The other one showed up while I was watching AV, lol.
But the adult relationship was just average to half-hearted, and Fuu’s regulars are overwhelmingly more satisfying, so neither of them became regulars.
The strongest combination is probably an ordinary girl—a woman with a regular daytime job—who’s married, looks refined, has a great figure, and is sexy, lol.
(According to Fuu, based on eight years of experience.)
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It depends on the person.
Some popular women may ask for 5, while others who seem like obvious influencers to anyone might ask for 15.
So there really isn’t a standard going rate.
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For a legitimate celebrity, wouldn’t it be around ¥1 million?
It depends on her future potential and how well-known she is. Besides, there are plenty of non-celebrities with around 10,000 followers, so I think it really comes down to whether she’s actually a celebrity or whether you’re basing it on her follower count.
Ultimately, it varies from person to person, but if she’s a “celebrity,” I think you should be prepared to offer at least around ¥200,000.
For someone with a large following or an underground idol, it probably depends on how much she normally earns.
I’ve heard of someone with 500,000 followers—though I don’t think she was actually a celebrity—who was often paid over ¥100,000 and apparently turned down anything less.
In the end, it comes down to:
How much the man is willing to pay, and how much the woman feels is acceptable.
That’s basically what matters. No matter how much the man says, “Other people pay this much,” if the woman isn’t comfortable with it, the meeting is over.
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Celebrities, models, idols, and talents come in all types and levels.
Some underground idols don’t want an adult relationship even for a ¥40,000 pay-per-meeting allowance, while some women with no particular credentials won’t even consider it unless they’re offered ¥200,000 per meeting.
If she’s an unattractive model, unattractive underground idol, or unattractive idol singer, I personally wouldn’t date her or move on to an adult relationship even for ¥50,000 per meeting.
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