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Jul 8, 2019 14:11
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I always enjoy reading this anonymous Q&A box.
I wanted to talk about the allowance issue that so often sparks debate here.
I’ve only just turned 20, but I have a fair amount of experience with papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan).
Since money is being exchanged directly, figuring out how a woman should behave in order to preserve a comfortable relationship has always been an extremely delicate issue that troubles me.
However, I think I’ve come up with my own answer recently, so I’d love to hear everyone’s opinions!
To put it simply, I never bring up money myself on the first date.
If the man brings up the allowance, I just smile and say, “I’ll leave it up to you. I’d be happy to receive whatever you feel comfortable giving me.”
If I’m not satisfied with the amount, I hint over LINE that there probably won’t be a next time, then wait for him to panic and realize, “Was the allowance not enough!?” At that point, I gently explain that I’m a student with a busy schedule and that I have no choice but to prioritize the men who can offer a higher amount.
If things end there, then sadly, we simply weren’t meant to meet.
With anyone who offers to increase the allowance, we discuss the terms of the arrangement over LINE, but during the actual date, I absolutely never bring up money myself.
At the time of the initial offer, the man is the one choosing, but I believe the best arrangement for both sides is ultimately to make him fall for you and reverse the dynamic so that the woman takes the lead.
Of course, this only works if the woman thoroughly works on both her appearance and her inner qualities, and knows how to create a beautiful, enchanting time together.
Once, on a first date, a man said he would give me 4 before we went to a hotel.
I had always received at least 5, so honestly, I was disappointed, but I gratefully accepted it and gave him my all.
However, after the exchange described above, he started giving me 6 from the second date onward, along with lots of expensive gifts. I can only say that it made me feel truly appreciated as a woman.
I don’t set my sights too high, and my personal baseline is 5, but there are also men who give me 10 at a time. As a result, I’ve been seeing around six men, each for more than a year.
After reading various posts, I got the impression that female members are lacking the resolve and determination to captivate men so completely that simply turning away for a moment makes them raise the allowance on their own.
The whole men-versus-women dynamic is just too sad.
I’m completely in a transactional relationship, so I don’t really think of these as dates, but I always try to treat the men with genuine consideration—for example, bringing a small gift or making notes about our conversations.
Sorry for the long post.
I’m sure someone will point out, “That’s not even a question!” but what do you all think?
To all the men out there, do you dislike women who seem this professional? LOL
5 answers
木田(社長)
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Kida, representative of the Universe Group, will answer this one.
Thank you for the wonderfully detailed question.
My reaction would be:
“Huh.”
That’s about it.
This may be the secret to negotiating the allowance, but honestly, it sounds like something I’ve heard somewhere before. It’s a sweet, pleasing read for men and staff, but what you’re actually describing is a technique for getting a higher allowance, isn’t it?
You’re making full use of your appeal and techniques as a woman, and as a result, the men are satisfied too, allowing you to continue these relationships on favorable terms.
“Huh. Good for you.”
That’s how I feel.
I completely agree that women should take the initiative, but the rest of these “pro papa-katsu” techniques don’t really resonate with me.
It’s admirable that you’ve faced various frightening situations, dealt with the risks yourself, and conducted papa-katsu as an independent business owner without anyone there to support you.
But calling these tactics the “secret” feels a little questionable.
A woman I interviewed in the past once said:
“I don’t really care how much the allowance is. If he wants to give me something, fine; if not, I’ll just move on to the next one. I’ll meet a man if I feel like it, whether he pays a lot or a little, and I enjoy myself that way.”
I remember being deeply impressed by how she wasn’t even controlled by money.
There must have been men whom you couldn’t control, no matter how much you used little gifts, notes about your conversations, improving your appearance and inner qualities, and creating sweet, enjoyable moments, right?
I hope you’ll stop negotiating over money and become someone impressive enough to gain something even more valuable than that.
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入会して8年。いまだ彷徨中です
Age: 60s
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Universe member
I’m Joe, the columnist.
I believe I’ve answered your final question: “Do you dislike women who seem too professional?”
I like them(笑).
I hope you’ll consider it when I make you an offer, too.
Other
I’m Saito, a column writer♪
I think that sounds good.
Good luck!
間宮(銀座スタッフ)
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🏅 ユニバースグループで働くスタッフの間宮です。
12年目のお局様👄クールビューティーに見えて中身はチャランポランです♪
Age: 30s
👩 Female
Universe staff
I was so moved that I had to respond myself!
This is wonderful!!!
I absolutely love women like you!
You should really consider giving lectures on this!
Since I believe we receive an allowance in return for giving men their dreams, you’ve clearly understood what your partner needs. On top of having basic manners as a person, you never bring up the allowance yourself—that’s exactly what a papa-katsu woman who strives to increase her value should be like!
I hope you continue to enjoy your wonderful papa-katsu life, but don’t overthink or overcalculate things—just enjoy it in moderation♪
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa here.
If I knew exactly how she was thinking and planning her actions, I might feel that she was calculating. But since she seems able to do all this without the man noticing, it sounds like a great situation where both sides can be happy.
I also like the idea of “always facing men with genuine consideration from the heart.”
But please, whatever you do, never reveal what’s really going on in your head. Once they know, they’ll be disappointed ><
It seems like many of the men at Universe consider this level of attentiveness to be perfectly normal, so you should be fine—but even so, never let your guard down.