What kind of impression does a woman make if she agrees to an adult relationship (intimate) at the first meeting?
When you say “agrees,” I assume the man generally asked for it in the first place. However, men typically don’t ask for an adult relationship on the very first day.
The reason is simple: if the woman wants dinner only (no intimacy) on the first day and he ignores that and asks her anyway, she can complain to the club, and his rating will definitely go down. If he has done the same thing in the past, his rating may fall below the required standard, resulting in automatic expulsion from the club.
So, if a man is willing to take that risk and ask on his own, he would probably either be acting recklessly or have trouble understanding Japanese.
If by “agree” you mean that the woman initiates things herself, there do seem to be some women like that. Even if she doesn’t go that far, she may skillfully steer the man in that direction, or let the conversation naturally develop that way.
In such cases, the man will more often than not feel positively about it. That said, some men strictly decide on dinner only (no intimacy) for the first meeting, so in those cases, he may be thinking, “???”.
As for “to women”:
Does that mean you’re a man pretending to be a woman while writing this?
And “regardless of gender”:
At this point, I’m not even sure what you’re trying to ask.
I don’t think there’s any particular danger, but as mentioned above, there is a risk of being forced to leave the club.
Are you saying that your thinking is, “I’m more likely to get offers with A, B1, or B2, but the allowance per meeting is higher for an adult relationship (intimate), so I want to do that from the first meeting”?
Also, this doesn’t sound like something an 18- or 19-year-old would come up with. So perhaps you have experience with apps or X, met a scout, and were encouraged to join a dating club, where they told you, “You’ll get more offers with A, B1, or B2, so choose one of those.” That’s probably it, right?
Scouts receive their commission not when they introduce you, but for each offer, so naturally they want you to get as many offers as possible. On the other hand, pay-per-meeting allowances are often higher for an adult relationship (intimate). That part is no different from apps or X.
However, the papas (male supporters) at a dating club like Universe are different from those on apps or X. They tend to be: 1) inexperienced with dating, 2) somewhat older, and 3) financially comfortable. If you start with dinner dates under A, B1, or B2, present yourself well—in other words, don’t give everything away too quickly—and gradually move toward an adult relationship (intimate), you’re more likely to be asked to continue.
So don’t focus on the immediate payoff. A is out of the question, but choose B1 or B2. Which one is better depends on your overall vibe—it’s like choosing clothes. It’s about what suits you. For you, I’d guess B2. Then, once offers start drying up after about six months, switching to C would be the most natural approach.
Choosing A, B1, or B2 and bringing up an adult relationship (intimate) from the first meeting will make you seem transparent and leave a bad impression. I wouldn’t recommend it.
If a man invites someone under A, B1, or B2 to an adult relationship (intimate) from the first meeting, that violates the rules. You should avoid getting involved with men like that.
For women who identify as dating types B1 or B2, I tell them during the first meal that an allowance will be provided if things develop into an adult relationship.
There have been cases where a woman says she’s fine going to a hotel and we do so, but I don’t particularly form any impression of her because of it. If anything, I just think it’s convenient and saves time.
That said, this may be because I’m someone who makes offers to women across types B1 through D and doesn’t place much importance on the dating type they choose.
A man who insists on only making offers to women who identify as B1 may feel differently from me. Even men who make offers based on a similar policy to mine may have different views.
In short, each person who makes you an offer has a different personality, so even if you ask here, no one can know what your particular partner thinks.
Honestly, if her profile was originally set to B2, I assume she chose that to make it easier to turn down an invitation to a hotel on the first meeting. That said, it’s not particularly unusual for a woman to change her mind if the terms are good or she finds the man attractive.
With an A or B1 woman, however, it would seem quite suspicious. In relationships arranged through a dating club, there isn’t the same sense of urgency you get with dating apps. If an A- or B1-type woman immediately agreed to a hotel invitation, people would probably find it rather suspicious. She might actually be a C or D type pretending to be something else.
I don’t think male members would take that kind of inconsistency positively, so I wouldn’t recommend it.
Basically, when I meet women in categories A, B1, or B2, the assumption is that it’s just a first meeting, so I don’t prepare for anything. That’s why, even if the conversation suddenly turns in that direction, I’m more likely to feel hesitant than excited.
So I would never be the one to initiate it. If things go well, we decide on the date of our next meeting, agree on the terms, and look forward to that day. Speaking from the man’s point of view, I’d prefer it if we proceeded on the assumption that nothing would happen that day.
This may be slightly off the point of the question, but quite a few of the women I’ve continued seeing for over a year were women with whom things went all the way on the day we first met.
When I was running a company, I used to feel that about 80% of a hiring decision was made by the time a candidate entered the interview room and sat down. Whenever I discussed this with fellow CEOs who had taken their companies public, almost all of them agreed. Companies led by people who say they never get that instant spark during an interview often don’t grow very much. Even when talking with people in the entertainment industry, many say that 80% of an audition comes down to the first impression.
So I’m not insisting that C-type is better. I understand that, from a woman’s perspective, being intimate on the day you meet can feel unsettling. And naturally, not wanting to be seen as the kind of woman who shares a bed with someone on the first day is also a valid part of the give-and-take.
Still, as strange as it may sound, I do feel that women who come to a C- or D-type meeting having, in a sense, made up their minds tend to be more straightforward and better suited to the way relationships work at a dating club.
Of course, I probably just don’t like too much playing hard to get.
Once you allow that kind of thing, some men may start assuming it will happen every time. I think it depends on the person.
In my case, there are women I initially met as a C, but who have now simply become friends I meet for drinks, with transportation expenses covered.
Also, with A and B1, I would never invite them to go beyond dinner on the first meeting. With B2, I think it could happen if the woman gives her permission first.
Ideally, I think of her as a C, but some women choose B2 because it makes it easier to turn things down. It’s difficult to expect someone to pick up on the fact that she’s listed as A or B1 but is actually a C.
Otherwise, things could get reversed: someone listed as A or B1 might proactively give permission first, making you wonder whether she’s actually a D.
It’s better not to play games. It gets complicated, and once things become complicated, the relationship can end very quickly.
For the first meeting, I make it clear when I send the offer that we’ll part ways after an hour, so it won’t develop into anything further right then.
I’ve never been told, “Let’s continue as is,” nor have I ever said it myself. However, I do confirm whether things will progress at the second meeting, so personally, I don’t think there’s much difference between the first and second meetings.
Emotionally, I suppose it’s more like, “Thank you for accepting me.”
Sorry if I misunderstood the intent of your question.
It’s better to avoid having sex on the first meeting if possible, because you may stop appreciating what makes a woman’s teenage body special.
I’ve never had sex on the first meeting with a Type A woman either, but with several B1 women, I’ve gone straight from the meeting spot to a hotel without even having a meal. I didn’t continue seeing any of them.
Older guys are pretty romantic creatures, so even with papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), they want some romance. If you don’t let them dream a little, the chances of things continuing drop dramatically—even if you manage to take home some money on the first day. So it’s best to leave some sense of anticipation.
I’m currently temporarily living with a very active cabaret club hostess who also does papa-katsu, and she said, “I don’t have sex with someone from the first day in papa-katsu. They’ll get bored with me.”
I’m Paper Airplane, probably one of the more unreasonable male members.
I make offers because I’m looking for connections through the club that aren’t simply papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). I’m not looking for that kind of arrangement.
I assess each woman on a case-by-case basis and decide whether to approach it as papa-katsu or not.
So, I’m also open to going to a hotel from the very first meeting. In the past, I’ve had exciting hotel encounters with women who were Type B, though I suspect they would be considered B2 by today’s standards.
Recently, I feel that many Type B1 women have become much closer to Type A. It seems like quite a few B1 women are shifting toward B2…
To explain how I view A, B1, and B2:
My first criterion for deciding whether to pursue a relationship is whether we’ll be intimate every time we meet or not.
So I assume A and B1 generally follow that standard.
As for B2, I expect it to be almost the same as Type C—in other words, intimacy every time.
If, like the person asking this question, intimacy is expected from the very first meeting, I would assume that the man wants intimacy every time they meet, while the woman wants an allowance for intimacy. Unless there’s some special intuition or a genuine bond that develops, I don’t consider that a relationship with an emotional connection.
I think it would become a transactional relationship where both sides enjoy what they’re looking for—intimacy and an allowance—once or twice a month, or perhaps once every two months.
Everyone has different opinions, so ultimately, it depends on what works for you.
That said, if you’re willing to have an adult relationship on the same day, I think choosing C or B2 would be better since you’ll receive more offers.
I vaguely remember seeing a comment—maybe in a column by a woman experienced in papa-katsu, or perhaps from someone answering questions—that said something like:
“When I agree to an adult relationship on the same day under B2, papas are happy, and I can receive a higher allowance, so I agree to it on the same day for good papas.”
From a man’s perspective, aside from papas who have decided not to have an adult relationship on the first meeting, I think many would feel lucky.
She used to be a B (I forget whether it was B1 or B2), but when I asked, she said it was okay. As a guy, I was simply happy to hear that. That said, I had quite an internal struggle before asking, haha—“Is this bad manners?” “What if asking makes things awkward?” But I got the sense from the way we were talking that she wanted it too, so I just went for it...
I understand that with A-type girls, it’s not part of the arrangement, so I wouldn’t bring it up myself in the first place.
