I’m a male member living in Kansai who joined recently.

> What kind of appeal does it have? I think it lets them live out a dream. By that, I mean the pride, satisfaction, and sense of security that come from being with a woman who receives over ¥100,000 per meeting. As far as I know—assuming what she told me was true—men who offer that kind of generous allowance seem to do so on their own, without the woman even asking. They think, “If I pay this much, I won’t lose out to the other men. I’ll be number one, and before long she’ll be crazy about me.” So I think women who say, “I’d like an allowance of ¥100,000,” aren’t looking for a man who reluctantly pays that amount. They’re targeting papas who respond, “In that case, I’ll give you ¥200,000—or even ¥300,000.” That’s how the market for all kinds of luxury brands works, not just papa-katsu. They target customers who feel reassured and satisfied by buying something expensive. Of course, it’s impossible unless the woman herself has an exceptionally strong overall profile. In other words, women who are attractive enough—say, around the top 1%—can bring the going rate up without any real ceiling, depending on the negotiation. > Is an allowance of over ¥100,000 also the going rate outside Tokyo? Not at all. In Nagoya lately, ¥50,000 for an adult relationship (intimate) is already considered ideal-supporter level. **Addendum** If a woman whose overall profile isn’t quite at that level is telling you, “It has to be ¥100,000,” then you probably just aren’t her type, and it’s likely a gentle way of turning you down. Give up and bow out gracefully. If I stop being wanted someday, I’ll follow right behind you. Men in their 60s really do vary a lot individually, and I can’t deny that I’ve declined compared with a year or two ago.

For a woman who already has more than 10 supporters, offering 10 to start with would be only natural. Aren’t you approaching women who seem extremely popular? In my case, I start at 5, but once we get close and the arrangement continues for a long time, I raise it to 10 or more.

Aren’t you making offers to women whose allowance expectations are on the higher side? As a trial, why not contact women registered on PATORO as Universe Type C or D, tell them that your allowance would be 5 per pay-per-meeting arrangement, including an adult relationship (intimate), and make offers only to those who are willing to meet? If you also post your photo on the profile visible only to women you make offers to, I think it would make things more reliable—meaning you’re less likely to waste a trip. Update <Before meeting> - Take a bath and wash thoroughly, including behind your ears. - Check your nose and ear hair. - Take care of your nails. - Practice good oral hygiene. (To prevent bad breath, gargle with something like Isodine as well.) - Change into clean clothes that don’t smell unpleasant. <When meeting> - Never chew loudly during the meal. - Don’t speak too loudly. - Don’t act superior. - Try to use polite language. - Don’t make dirty jokes. - Don’t pry into her private life. - Don’t make unwanted physical contact.

A beautiful woman from Kansai who joined a club was receiving an allowance of 10 or more from every male member—even for dinner only, she received about half that amount. If a woman can receive an allowance of 10–20, the amount can vary freely from 0 to 40 depending on the man she’s seeing. The difference is largely determined not by the man’s looks or cleanliness, but by how much stress relief and comfort he provides. It certainly matters what kind of presence she can be for a woman. But if the question is what kind of woman you need, then you should consider what benefits or emotional fulfillment you can offer her—and whether you can actually communicate that. It’s also important that both people feel and understand the value of each other’s presence. When the relationship is a good match in terms of what both sides seek and can give, it naturally develops, and you can find common ground that makes both of you happy. However, if your offer or approach is vague, you may simply get overlooked—or end up unsatisfied without even realizing why. I feel that you may need to work on understanding what qualities you personally find attractive in a woman.

papa-katsu through an app and papa-katsu through a dating club may seem similar, but they’re actually quite different. There used to be a term like “援交” for compensated dating, and that was also a very different world from dating clubs. Dating clubs can be completely different depending on the people involved. Honestly, I don’t think you’ll enjoy being in one if your only goal is an adult relationship (intimate). What matters first is how well the conversation flows over dinner or while you’re spending time together. If that time isn’t enjoyable, then regardless of the woman’s desired allowance, I don’t think much will come of taking things further. Even if she asks for 10 or more, it may be worth giving it a try if she’s someone you really click with and could enjoy spending time with. If things become even more exciting in bed, that’s practically the first step toward paradise. That said, there are quite a few women asking for around 6, 7, or 8 who you can build a long-term relationship with, so I think it’s best to take your time and look carefully. Also, women pay close attention to these things, so one thing men should be mindful of is whether they treat women with genuine gratitude. Especially after turning 60—and even from my 40s onward—I was always grateful that such wonderful young women were choosing to be with me. If you think it’s only natural because you’re giving them spending money, women will inevitably lose interest too. In the end, the only ones willing to be with you will probably be semi-professionals.

¥100,000 or more?? Hmm… I honestly can’t understand it. Are there really that many people who can afford that? Even in Tokyo, not everyone is wealthy. In fact, if living expenses are lower, people in rural areas might have more room to put toward an allowance, even if they have fewer assets. Can the questioner really keep things going at ¥100,000 or more? Sorry to say this, but the fact that you’re asking, “What kind of appeal do they have?” makes me feel it may be a bit unrealistic for you. I prefer relationships that are within my means. Girls who understand the situation often say, “An amount that allows us to continue seeing each other for a long time is fine.” I think many of the girls at this club are like that in particular.

I’ve never been asked for 100,000 yen or more on a pay-per-meeting basis, so perhaps the women you’re making offers to are especially popular. As everyone says, some women will agree if you offer 50,000 yen per meeting. If they continue asking for more than 100,000 yen even then, you may also need to work on things like your overall vibe—including how you communicate—and your personal grooming. I think you’ll get your answer if you try making lots of offers on Patro to women whose desired allowance is around 50,000 yen, so good luck! Hope this helps.

I once gave an allowance of 10 on just one occasion. She had started seeing supporters through a club in Tokyo before coming to my area. In bed, I couldn’t help thinking, “So this is what a surgically enhanced beauty is like!?” But she also told me it was the first time she’d ever received such a low allowance, lol. These days, I don’t have anyone who receives more than 5.汗 Even so, the women have all told me they’d really like to continue seeing me. They consistently say things like, “You’re so much fun to talk to that I lose track of time,” “You have beautiful skin,” and “You have great posture.”

There are a lot of unclear points here, but it sounds like you’re making offers to young, popular women at Platinum level or above—women who probably have other papas as well. The issue may be on the questioner’s side: if you’re unattractive, smell bad, or lack basic cleanliness and grooming, they may not feel willing—or able—to have an adult relationship unless the allowance is higher than that amount. As for whether a woman is attractive, that’s something the questioner has to decide for themselves, so it’s hard for anyone here to answer that. Maybe the person you happened to approach simply wanted that amount. Why not become a patron and make offers to women who are willing to accept your preferred allowance from the start? Nojima’s Papa-katsu was good, wasn’t it? I’m always looking for a room like the one where the university professor protagonist had his intimate encounters. It looked more like an older apartment than a luxury high-rise, yet the open night view was amazing. I’m jealous. It didn’t look as expensive as a luxury tower apartment, so someday I’d love to rent a place like that and do papa-katsu there, haha. By the way, I believe Universe Club—the site here—is the one that coined the term papa-katsu. Director Nojima, who used to make trendy dramas during the bubble era, was probably inspired by the coined term “papa-katsu” created here when he made that show. It also has a bit of that bubble-era vibe, so it really hits home for people our age. The casting was perfect too. Marie Iitoyo was adorable and a little sexy—she really felt like a papa-katsu girl. Kirishima, who played the wife, was also alluring, and the cheating-with-your-best-friend storyline was quite an exciting development, haha. Sorry for the spoilers if you haven’t watched it. It’s available on Amazon Prime, so definitely give it a try.

I’m proud to say that I have a fairly high success rate when it comes to meeting women who ask for a pay-per-meeting allowance of 10 or more. The reason is simple: I make offers to women who seem likely to want 10 or more per meeting. What makes them appealing? They’re beautiful. There’s no other reason. If your own daughter started papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) and asked, “Would pay-per-meeting 5 be okay, Papa?” what advice would you give her? You’d probably say, “Make it at least 50 per meeting!!!” with about three exclamation marks, right? I think accepting 5 per meeting is abnormal in the first place. That said: 1. A papa (a male supporter) who can definitely meet her three or four times every month and gives her 5 per meeting 2. A papa who can only meet her once a month but gives her 10 per meeting The second one isn’t necessarily the better papa. If the questioner wants to offer 5 per meeting, then be the kind of papa described in option 1.

> Apparently, that’s why the going rates for papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) are falling. AI can’t register with an exclusive dating club, so I assume it’s basing its answers on reviews and information posted online—things written by people using matching apps. So if you’re using a matching app, that might be accurate. But at an exclusive dating club, things may be completely different from what you see online. You keep talking about “the going rate,” but why would a woman you want to date agree to see you based on some abstract market rate? I think you should start by seriously considering that point. Is your annual income the same as the average annual income in society? If someone offered to hire you at the average salary, would you accept? How would you feel if someone told you, “That’s the going rate”? You’re probably active because you earn more than the average person, and the amount you’re willing to offer may not be the same as the general market rate, either. “I want you to work as a road construction flagger. The going rate is about this much per hour, so go ahead and do it.” Would that be acceptable to you? Of course, there are plenty of people who work as road construction flaggers for that so-called going rate. But that’s beside the point. Whether you would personally accept that amount is a separate issue, don’t you think? The fact that you talk about “the going rate” without considering any of this shows that, frankly, you were doomed from the start. Every woman has her own unique appeal. They also receive offers from other men. With that kind of thoughtless, rigid mindset, things are more likely than not to go badly. Think harder about what would make a woman willing to see you. If you can’t be bothered, just go to a brothel. The price is set, so all you have to do is hand over the fixed amount. It’ll be easier. > What kind of appeal is there supposed to be? What people find appealing differs from person to person. If you don’t feel any appeal, I think you shouldn’t participate. The people who are active now do so because they find meeting women appealing. At the very least, every person is different, and that alone makes meeting people worthwhile. But if you don’t find any appeal in it, you’d be better off staying home and doing what you enjoy.

The other day, someone tried to sell me on the idea that if I worked out and got my body in shape, I could lower the allowance, haha. I suppose everyone has their own sense of what the going rate is. I simply state the amount I want without changing it and meet people whose expectations match. If I force myself to compromise, I end up not wanting to meet them anymore, and it won’t last. Even with my own work, I think there are two ways to feel rewarded: financially, or through some personal sense of meaning beyond money. If a job is difficult and demanding and I can’t find any meaning in it, I charge a high fee. If it’s meaningful work, I’ll take it even for somewhat less. When I charge a high fee, I’m fine if they turn it down, and I’m also fine if they agree to pay it. In a sense, it’s like setting such demanding terms that it amounts to a polite refusal. I don’t feel that asking for ¥100,000 in a regional area is especially unusual. Either she is specifically targeting men who seem capable of paying that much, there’s something about the man that makes her feel, “He should pay around ¥100,000,” or it’s a combination of both.