I’m pretty much taking the same measures as that “loser” guy.
As for the questioner’s sixty-something man, maybe he thinks bathing and brushing his teeth are all it takes to seem clean. That accounts for only about 5% of personal hygiene. That’s how smelly us old geezers are—we’re sorry for existing. Other than handing out money, we have no reason to be alive.
Women in their early twenties have that lactone scent, right? I guess the only option is to use DEOCO products. I’m a DEOCO old man myself.
Oh, right—you asked for an answer.
If you want to keep seeing him because he’s a generous (well-paying) papa, choose your words carefully and point it out tactfully. You can wash him yourself.
If you were going to break things off anyway, then for the sake of reducing the nuisance we old men cause society, give him a harsh wake-up call with some cutting parting words.
I start with the assumption that I have bad breath, body odor from aging, and an underarm odor problem, and I work desperately to minimize any smell.
I have my tartar removed once every six months, and of course I have no cavities or gum disease. When I meet a woman, I brush my teeth twice, then use floss, interdental brushes, mouthwash, and a tongue cleaner. I also crush up a ton of breath mints and push the pieces between my teeth.
Even for a dinner date, taking a shower beforehand is a given.
Full-body hair removal is a given too. Body hair is a source of odor, after all.
Even after doing all that, I still can’t shake the anxiety.
I’m simply too worried to stay overnight. I’d definitely smell.
If we sleep in separate rooms, that would be fine, though.
Various women have told me, “You don’t smell at all,” but there’s no way I can believe that.
I smell bad. That’s the assumption I operate under.
Update:
Sunny-san and Yozakura-san, nice to meet you.
I look forward to getting to know you.
My wife told me that our daughter is sensitive to smells, so I asked her to check whether I had any age-related body odor. But she just said, “I can’t tell because you’re family.” I don’t know whether living together makes you immune to it or simply accustomed to it. There’s no way the person in question would notice it themselves.
As for the women I meet through the club, they say I smell nice, so I really can’t tell what they truly mean—is it actually the opposite?
When I used to run a shop, the female staff would often complain that most men’s heads smelled pretty bad. They said it was unbearable...
I also asked a woman who works at an esthetic salon, and she said that the men who come there aren’t particularly bad. (Maybe because she’s beautiful??)
If you can’t put up with it, I think the only option is to break up.
P.S.
In addition to taking care of my breath, I never go on a date without Breath Control gum—before, during, and after. It stimulates saliva to help prevent tartar, and it also cleans the tongue, which is a cause of bad breath.
It completely changes the condition of your mouth—like the difference between having pork buns and not having them.
Not just with the smell of aging—apparently, our noses are designed to get used to smells, to the point that we stop noticing them.
I think this is so we don’t feel sick every time we smell our own body odor.
You may notice unpleasant smells in someone else’s house or car, but the person themselves has probably gotten used to it and no longer notices.
In the questioner’s case, the papa probably won’t change, so if it’s truly unbearable, maybe it would be best to end things?
There’s also a theory that our genes help us distinguish smells: since having children with someone genetically distant is considered better, we tend to find genetically distant people pleasant-smelling and genetically close people unpleasant-smelling. Apparently, there are cases where we instinctively pick up on this through smell.
I take care of my oral hygiene, but I still have some concerns.
Like the other respondents, I don’t have any cavities or gum disease. I get my teeth cleaned every six months, and I make a habit of flossing and brushing my tongue every morning.
I also brush my teeth before meeting a woman, brush again when I shower, and have some Frisk right beforehand, but I still worry.
Recently, I heard that mouth-breathing and dryness can be bad, so I’ve even started using nasal breathing strips while I sleep.
However, a woman I was seeing recently was concerned about the smell down there. She said it was because men other than me rarely go down on her, but when I told her there wasn’t any particular smell, she was relieved.
There’s no such thing as zero odor, so both men and women need to be careful to keep it from becoming unbearable.
People say you can’t really smell your own scent, so I think that’s just how humans are wired. That’s why I don’t think you can tell what you yourself smell like.
I’m not entirely sure how age-related odor works either, but I feel it’s probably something that naturally comes with getting older. If anything, I’m more bothered by people who wear overpowering perfume. If I had to choose between age-related odor and strong perfume, I’d honestly have a hard time deciding.
Of course, subtle perfume is fine, but when someone wears too much, I can’t help wondering, “Why so much?”
So, getting back to the point, I think some things are unavoidable to a certain extent. If you don’t like it, I think it’s best to simply part ways.
The smell is definitely a deal-breaker. But if you’re worried enough to ask despite how difficult this is, I’m guessing this papa (a male supporter) has other appealing qualities?
If you want to continue seeing him, one option is to be honest and bring it up—though you should also suggest a solution of your own. If you’re not that invested, you’ll probably have to gradually distance yourself without hurting his feelings. It’s unfortunate, but that may be the only way.
If he’s genuinely making an effort, I don’t think there’s much more he can do to improve things.
The right approach isn’t to get your tartar removed right before meeting someone, but to practice regular oral care so tartar doesn’t build up in the first place.
Bad breath can come from your throat or stomach. Throat odor may be caused by tonsil stones, while stomach odor can be due to gastritis. As for age-related odor, it may be because you aren’t washing areas like behind your ears properly. If someone doesn’t even know that the solution depends on where the smell is coming from, they’re probably pretty smelly. Basically, it’s best to assume you’re the source of some unpleasant odor.
I’m an older guy myself, so I’m probably incredibly smelly, but women flatter me by saying I smell nice, and I get carried away and loosen my purse strings. I always take a shower one hour before meeting them.
After about six hours, I’d probably start to smell.
I’ve even noticed age-related odor from women around thirty, so it could happen to any of us.
Persistent odors, such as the smell of aging, are easy to become accustomed to and stop noticing. The person themselves has probably been told about it at some point, so they’re likely conscious of it, making excuses while also trying to be considerate.
Unpleasant smells can trigger an instinctive aversion, perhaps because they suggest decay, poison, or death. Personally, I think it’s understandable to part ways with even a very attractive woman if her smell is unbearable.
On the other hand, some relationships last a long time even when the person isn’t particularly attractive, simply because you like the scent of their perfume or something similar.
It’s hard to notice your own smell, so in my case, I sometimes ask the female employees at my company, “Do I smell?” It’s that kind of close-knit, family-like workplace.
So far, apparently I’m fine. Who knows what things will be like six months from now, though. If various problems start coming up, I’ll gracefully retire from this lifestyle. I’ve done it all, and I have no regrets.
These days, girls around 20 stay over and sleep beside me in my queen-size bed almost every night. Two of them even sleep cuddled up next to me all night. So I’m probably in pretty good shape smell-wise. And it’s not me clinging to them—the girls are the ones who reach out and hug me, completely naked. Some girls are into that.
When you’re lying close together, women around 20 really do have a sweet, fruity scent. It’s the complete opposite of old-person smell. Incidentally, when I was young, even I could tell that I had a fresh citrus-like scent, but it disappeared somewhere along the way.
There’s a huge amount of individual variation among men in their 60s. I really feel that way when I look at my old classmates. Men who have been successful in life do tend to look the part, after all. Personally, I’ve never met a man my age and felt that I’d been outdone. Well, not so far, anyway. In another five or ten years, we’ll probably all end up looking the same.
Women start to lose that sweet scent once they reach their late 20s. The person who asked this question probably meant it to be spiteful, but bringing up age is like spitting into the sky. Men may develop old-person smell, but women start losing that sweet scent in their late 20s too.
For reference, here are some of my countermeasures—or rather, habits. I shampoo my hair twice a day, morning and night, paying particular attention to my neck and hairline at the nape. The first thing I do after waking up is take a morning shower.
Since having sex with my papa-katsu partners twice a day, once during the day and once at night, is part of my routine, I take a full-body shower at least five times a day: before and after each encounter, plus once in the morning.
There’s no time for old-person smell to build up, lol.
I imagine most of the answers have already covered this, but I’d like to point out two things.
Since the questioner’s papa (a male supporter) seems to be at least somewhat aware of the issue, there’s far more hope than with a man who has no idea. He may be aware of it in general, but people often have difficulty noticing their own smell, so I think it’s important to point it out properly.
Depending on how you phrase it, telling someone they “smell” can come across as denying their character, so choose your words carefully. It’s less likely to offend if you include yourself in the situation. For example: “I might smell too, so let’s wash together.” In other words, don’t single out only their smell—phrase it as something that includes you as well. In my own limited experience, quite a few young women smell too.
The other point is that dealing with odors is part of the appeal of papa-katsu. If you can overcome this, the relationship may grow deeper, and your papa’s purse strings might loosen a little.
I’m nearing the end of my 60s, but I don’t do anything in particular to deal with age-related body odor.
The only time my partner has ever mentioned that I smelled a little was when I was feeling unwell and went several days without bathing. Personally, I feel that maintaining a balanced diet and boosting my metabolism through exercise that makes me sweat and regular baths should be enough. I don’t smoke, by the way.
I also have a full medical checkup once a year, and none of my results have ever exceeded the standard ranges. I don’t take any regular medication either. For oral care, I visit the dentist twice a year for a gum check and to have any staining or tartar removed. Otherwise, I simply brush my teeth as usual.
The people I date tell me I don’t have any age-related odor, but I suppose it really does vary from person to person.
