① Do you feel that the going rates have gone up as a result of everyone being active on the site?
→ I’m sorry to say I haven’t been active in the club for very long myself, but I haven’t noticed any change. In my case, everyone I’ve developed a relationship with has been satisfied with the same terms.
② When a woman is very money-focused, does it show in her facial expressions or attitude during the first meeting?
→ There have been a few who made it extremely obvious in the way they spoke. She was a Type B, so things ended after the first dinner.
If he has good manners, a pay-per-meeting allowance of 30,000 yen could work.
But 30,000 yen a month really isn’t papa-katsu.
For me, it’s 50,000–100,000 yen per meeting. Gifts are almost always under 10,000 yen—I’m sorry I’m poor.
An arrangement isn’t defined by the amount of money alone, so there’s no problem at all.
“Bottom-tier” means “low allowance and high stress.” Unless it’s highly stressful, it’s not bottom-tier.
1. I haven’t really felt that the allowance itself has increased, but the total amount I spend has gone up because the allowance isn’t my only expense.
2. Some people clearly look expensive to date, but I’ve never really felt that way myself.
I might be at the very bottom of papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) too.
Looking at the question the poster was probably referring to, she gets 30,000 yen a month and stays over every week. So, if you calculate it based on a five-week month, that works out to 0.6 per meeting, which is probably why people are calling it “the very bottom.”
I think 30,000 yen pay-per-meeting is still acceptable, and if it bothers you, you could simply give her some transportation money as well. In my case, I sometimes raise the allowance on my own once we get closer.
As long as you’re not trampling on her free will through incessant calls, repeated LINE messages, or, in extreme cases, threats, I don’t think there’s a problem. In my case, after the second meeting, the woman usually reaches out to me, and I hardly ever message first. I’m actually in a position where I have a hard time meeting the women’s requests.
As someone else has already answered, 30,000 yen is the going rate from several years ago. These days, I’m often told 50,000 yen.
“Kane kane” can mean several things, but if you interpret it as being stingy or greedy, it shows up as a lack of generosity, limited conversation topics, and little self-disclosure—including thoughts and feelings at the time. (I don’t ask for personal information.)
Women who don’t know the going rate and don’t adjust their expectations to their partner often ask for 30,000 or 50,000 yen just for transportation. You can usually tell after the first meeting, and when you negotiate the allowance for the second meeting, you think, “Ah, I see.”
I hope this helps.
① I think someone mentioned this before, but a few years ago, it was around 30,000–50,000 yen; now, it feels like 50,000 yen is the bare minimum.
The growing proportion of male members may be one reason.
When I meet girls from other clubs through Patolo, their requested amounts seem relatively low—perhaps because the club provides better guidance.
The trade-off is that there’s often a big gap between their photos and their actual appearance.
② Yes, it shows.
Be especially careful with girls who try to one-up you in the way they talk.
