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Mar 21, 2023 22:36
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I’ve heard that 50,000 yen is the going rate, and in reality, most offers are 50,000 yen or more. So do the men who approach women with 30,000 or 40,000 yen think they have some kind of advantage over other men?
From a woman’s perspective, it’s a no unless he’s an attractive older gentleman or extremely interesting to talk to. Otherwise, he just comes across as pushy and shameless. I honestly feel they shouldn’t say something so uncool.
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彼氏/既婚/他パパ/セフレOK/全力応援
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
They may simply be people who don’t have much money and want sex at that price. If they keep getting turned down here, they’ll try dating apps or street solicitation—and if that still doesn’t work, they may turn to sex work.
Alternatively, papas are willing to pay a high introduction fee and make that offer knowing the arrangement might fall through. So, unfortunately, it’s possible that the person asking is being viewed as being worth only that level. Judging from the way you write, what’s your personality like…?
If you keep receiving the same offer, it may be best to accept it as reality and work on yourself.
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スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Probably number 2.
I met mine through an app, so I didn’t know any better and initially offered 3. We’ve been together for four years now, and I’ve raised the amount since then.
If he’s a new male member, you might make good money by winning him over and nurturing the relationship. Of course, if he’s an arrogant, bad-breath-boasting old guy who wants a second round, you can just turn him down.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Maybe he’s confident in himself, or maybe he’s short on money and wants someone to see him for as little as possible.
Still, I think the latter is more common.
But if most women are willing to accept 50,000 yen or less, what makes someone ask for 80,000 yen? Does he really have that much confidence in himself?
Women would get angry if you told them to stop because they’re being presumptuous and shameless.
It’s the same thing, so I think you should stop asking questions like this.
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I often offer 4. Assuming 5 is the average, I prefer women who still genuinely want to see me even if the amount is below that. So if we click over dinner and the conversation flows, I’ll float that option to gauge her feelings. Of course, I phrase it politely, and sometimes we end up settling on 5 or even more.
I’ve also met a woman who offered 3 herself. I wondered why, but it felt like opening Pandora’s box, so I didn’t dare ask(笑). Somehow, it lasted four years. Once things had gone on that long, her price competitiveness was unbeatable, so she was always on the roster no matter what. She was practically a household spirit(笑)
Regardless of the going rate—or what’s generally considered average—if the two people agree on the terms, then whatever amount they settle on is the right one. If they can’t agree, it simply means the terms didn’t match. Insulting someone just because they offered terms that don’t suit your preferences is missing the point. Conversely, if a woman I find unattractive said she wanted 7, I might think, “Tch,” but I’d never say it to her. She just isn’t my type; another man might find her attractive and be perfectly happy with 7. It’s simply a matter of not being a match for me.
Also, I’m not a fan of people who obsess over the going rate or the average. If you have your own preferred terms, it’s better to state them plainly. Why care what someone you don’t match with thinks? You’re not compatible anyway, and you won’t be seeing each other again.
To be honest, even when I’ve agreed to terms above what I wanted, not a single arrangement has lasted more than six months. The women I see dozens of times over the long term are the ones whose terms match mine. So if the terms don’t work for you, it’s more rational to pass and approach someone else. If the difference is just 1, meeting 20 times means a difference of 20. With that money, how many people could you make offers to? I didn’t really understand this at first, but after meeting many women, I was able to calculate my own success rate, and the economic logic was proven by actual data. That’s when it became a firm conviction.
Women are generally limited to waiting for offers, so they can’t really build up this kind of data and develop a strategy around it. Maybe that’s why people who obsess over the going rate are so common. Men can reveal statistical facts by making repeated offers. And people who have money are, by nature, those who have succeeded at figuring out how to achieve their goals, so I think they can see how to win the game fairly quickly. After that, it’s simply a matter of whether they loudly announce it or don’t feel the need to share it with others. I’d say the latter probably accounts for more than 90%.
So questions like these about the going rate will keep popping up forever, but I also believe the world will never change to meet what the person asking hopes for. I’m sorry(笑)
Taro
🏅 日没を遅らせる唯一の方法は日没に向かって走り続けることだ
名古屋支店登録で、男性会員としての登録名もマックさんです。コラム多数書いてますのでよろしければご参照ください。20代の細身女性が好みで逆オファーには前向きです。経験無いまたは少ない方大歓迎。
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
Since Kazu has been making good use of this, I’m reposting the following:
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“Severity” scale
① Provoking people because you want the respondents’ attention
② Not malicious, but bored and looking to chat
③ Too lazy to look it up yourself or contact the branch, so you want a quick answer
④ An innocent question
⑤ You’re genuinely troubled and seriously looking for advice
(Severity increases from ① to ⑤.)
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I don’t get the impression you’re trying to provoke anyone, so I’d say you’re at ②.
So I’ll humor you and chat—but remember this: getting indignant because the allowance offered was too low only exposes you to ridicule as a woman who’s publicly admitting that she was personally appraised that way.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
It has a question mark, but just like “Do you think you’re ○○?” isn’t really a question, it’s merely a lead-in to what comes afterward.
To begin with, I don’t think they were asking for the other person’s opinion at all. So, I wouldn’t call it a question.
Was this supposed to be entertainment?
Anyway, it seems like you can just give some throwaway response, so maybe I should have said something like:
“That sounds rough.
I’m sure there are good men out there.
I hope you meet a nice person next time.”
Or:
“It would only be acceptable if he were a handsome older guy or incredibly entertaining to talk to. Otherwise, people would just see him as pushy and shameless, so of course I’d think he shouldn’t say things that make him look uncool.”
Something along those lines, I guess.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
Tell her directly or ask her yourself. Why should a complete stranger know or care? ①