After reading the question below, I started wondering: what exactly counts as a “generous (well-paying) papa”?

Isn’t a generous (well-paying) papa a man who offers good compensation for your time and lets you enjoy the relationship without feeling uncomfortable? It seems to me that being a mistress and having a generous (well-paying) papa are two different things. There may be papas who want a mistress, but no papa wants to be a generous (well-paying) papa.

My name is Ren Kurosaki from the Osaka branch of Universe Club. Thank you for your question! I looked up “generous papas” online. The definition was “a papa who pays more than an average papa,” which is how I understood it as well. That said, there’s no clear-cut standard, so if you feel your papa is generous, I think it’s perfectly fine to call him a generous papa!

It’s Frieren! I think the “futo” in “futo papa” comes from “futopp ara,” meaning generous or big-hearted. So, to me, a “generous papa” is the papa who makes his partner think, “Wow, he’s so generous!” most often. It probably isn’t determined solely by the amount of money, either. - He takes you to restaurants where each person’s meal costs ¥100,000 when dining together. - He gifts you a Tokyo Disney Resort trip to enjoy with your friends. - For some reason, he just gives you ¥30,000 in cash. The blunt conclusion is that what feels generous depends on the person. Sorry. It’s kind of like asking, “What kind of girl is a papa’s favorite?” You’d probably get answers like, “How should I know? Pay closer attention to the person you’re with.”

At host clubs and places like that, men who spend a lot of money are called “big-spending customers.” In papa-katsu, since he’s called a papa rather than a customer, I think it’s simply been changed to “generous papa.” So, a generous papa is someone who spends a lot of money—whether through allowances or gifts. Of course, what qualifies as a generous papa probably varies from person to person, but if he pays five figures or more per pay-per-meeting date and spends at least ¥600,000 a month on one woman, I feel he could reasonably call himself a generous papa. Though I’m sure some women would say that still isn’t enough. > “Can’t someone start calling it patro-katsu (patron activities) instead of papa-katsu?” Kida-san has been saying that internally for years, and when we created THESALON, we even designed the interior with the image of a patron in mind. I looked it up, and the word “patron” appears on SALON’s blog too. https://thesalon.tokyo/blog/166/ https://thesalon.tokyo/blog/774/ > “If he’s a patron, the amount should increase as the relationship deepens, right?” That’s certainly the image I have too—that the amount gradually increases. More than that, I also imagine that he should eventually start supporting her even when they aren’t intimate. In other words, after being intimate once, he would continue supporting her about ten more times without intimacy. The more I think about it, the more it seems that only a very small number of men can afford that.

Recently, the three of us—an art student, a music student, and me—were having dinner when the subject of “papas” came up. We talked about how “patron” might actually be the better term. Both the art student and the music student graduated from specialized schools, and they’re genuinely pursuing their “dreams,” working part-time while paying for their own lessons and trying to turn their expertise into a career. So, when I think about how I have sex with them and give them money, “patron” does seem like a pretty fitting description. By chance, the song “Autumn Leaves” was playing at the restaurant. The music student said it was bossa nova. I was puzzled because it’s a French song and a classic chanson, isn’t it? But apparently the rhythm is bossa nova. The art student started describing the scene she imagined from the music playing in the background. It was interesting seeing how differently each of them viewed it. The art student and the music student look completely opposite, but their sensibilities seem to mesh incredibly well. The one thing they both said was: “We don’t really think of ourselves as doing papa-katsu. We want a patron.” That makes sense. From their perspective, a generous papa (a generous patron) is someone who provides abundant financial support for the activities they’re working hard at, even if those activities don’t necessarily make money. If you expand that concept, then a man who supports a woman pursuing something she loves—not necessarily art—and also has sex with her would be a generous papa (a generous patron). Expand it even further, and a man who simply gives a woman a large amount of money even though she isn’t pursuing anything would still be a generous papa…but it’s hard to call him a patron anymore. “Generous papa” is made up of “generous” plus “papa,” and the “generous” part definitely refers to money. What the questioner was wondering when they asked what a “generous papa” really is was probably whether money alone is enough. Isn’t there also some kind of emotional or spiritual element? Or perhaps continuity? Continuity also provides a sense of security, which is emotional in its own way. Someone like Date-san is certainly a fine example of a generous papa. I think the essence of what defines a generous papa is the patron aspect. Even if he pays 20,000 yen each time, if it ends after just one or two meetings, that doesn’t make him a generous papa, does it? Seen that way, if a PJ wants to acquire a generous papa as part of her strategy, she should have a “dream” of her own and talk to her papa about it. She should show that she’s working hard toward something. The “fan” who is willing to fund that effort is a potential generous papa. P.S. There’s a dilemma in these relationships: “As we see each other more often and grow closer, shouldn’t the exchange of money eventually become unnecessary?” If the essence of the relationship is the patron aspect, that dilemma can be resolved. You could even call it a kind of fatherly support. If he’s truly a patron, the amount should increase as the relationship deepens, right? P.S. 2 I wonder if someone will start saying, “It’s not papa-katsu—it’s pato-katsu (patron activities)!” I think men would find it easier to spend money that way, although it might make sex more difficult. It might work well to draw the line as: “Apps are for papa-katsu; dating clubs are for pato-katsu.”

If he always gives you your allowance and keeps things going, he’s a generous papa. Sometimes Jiron, sometimes Taron, sometimes Iron— I’m Melon☆

I think whether someone is a generous (well-paying) papa (a male supporter) depends on the woman’s perspective. So if you had to define it, it would be “a man whom the woman he’s seeing considers a generous (well-paying) papa.” It’s not really something a man should declare about himself, but in the previous question, I believe he meant that he felt he was giving her a substantial allowance.

A “神” is a papa who puts himself in the companion’s shoes, allowing her to date in the way she wants while feeling safe and building a relationship of trust with him. Whether it’s an exclusive or non-exclusive arrangement, I think each person should choose whatever works for them. Even though it’s an allowance-based relationship, the companion should also take the relationship with her papa seriously. Above all, I think a papa shouldn’t end things casually. It’s not about whether the allowance per date is high or low. As the relationship continues, the total naturally adds up to a substantial amount anyway… Well, you’ll understand if you try seeing the same papa regularly every month for about five years. That’s my honest impression from having experienced it myself.

I feel like “It depends on the person” is probably the best answer here… Personally, I think the average pay-per-meeting allowance is around 50,000 yen, so I’d consider someone a generous (well-paying) papa starting at 100,000 yen per meeting.