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Feb 7, 2023 22:26
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I understand that I should just ignore it. I just don’t know how to ignore it. Once, I replied by email, “That’s a disgusting thing to say. If possible, please don’t talk about things like that,” and I was scolded for it. My supervisor told me, “In situations like that, report it to me. You don’t need to reply—just block them,” so that’s what I’ve been doing.
My current company also knows that I’ve had to move several times because of harassment from men. (When I say “men,” I’m not lumping all men together; I’m simply using the term without naming anyone.)
I started consulting a lawyer because, at a previous workplace, an employee who apparently found out my address rang my intercom continuously from 3 a.m. and shouted from outside my door, “If you love me, please go out with me.” I didn’t even know this person existed. We weren’t acquainted, worked in different departments, and I didn’t know his name or face.
I called the police, and it became an issue at work. Yet, for some reason, the company moved that employee and tried to end the matter by saying, “There, it’s over! You’re satisfied now, right?” My address remained unchanged, and the employee stayed with the company. I couldn’t understand it, and they never apologized. I consulted various people, but nothing came of it, so I decided I needed to leave evidence of my consultations and what had happened with an uninvolved third party who had enough authority to do something.
Apparently, the company paid for the other employee’s moving costs, but when I asked about moving myself, they dismissed me and told me to pay for it. That’s why I decided to handle things this way. If I have to move again, it will be extremely difficult, so I want to be prepared to at least recover the moving expenses. If I simply give in, my cat’s quality of life will suffer too, and I want to avoid that.
Because my life experience is so limited in certain ways, I asked, “Are men just like this?” and “What would be the right way to respond?” But I’ve been told that I sound stupid.
That’s right—I’m stupid, ignorant, and worthless, someone my family has only ever treated as a punching bag, so I never learned how to communicate with people properly. I’m sorry. I just wanted to know what this sort of behavior actually means and how I’m supposed to respond. Even when I ask coworkers or consultation centers, they tell me, “Just ignore it,” or, “If you engage with him, it means you’re interested.” I asked here because I wanted to know whether there was anything I could do.
Thank you for caring about someone as stupid as me. People tend to get sick around this time of year, so please take care of yourself too.
I’m no longer at the age when people usually say things like that to me, so I think it will calm down eventually. But I suspect this kind of thing is common where I live, which may be why people dismiss it as “an overreaction” or “something that happens all the time.” I’m apparently perceived as weak and easy to control, so perhaps I attract the unusual men who actually take things further.
I do understand the reasons and causes myself, but that doesn’t mean I can do anything about them, so I ended up venting here too. I’m sorry.
As for our usual conversations, they’re fairly ordinary—nothing particularly good or bad. We start with “Nice to meet you,” exchange “I look forward to getting to know you,” and then the conversation ends with a read receipt.
Then the man will start sending me daily updates, like, “I did this today,” or, “I went back to my parents’ house for the first time in a while.” If I reply with something like, “I see. That sounds like fun,” the conversation turns into small talk: “Do you have any siblings?” or, “Do you live alone?” If I mention that I have a pet—a cat—and that she’s cute, he’ll suddenly message me, “Cats lick butter, don’t they?”
When I reply, “I don’t think they do. It probably isn’t good for them,” he’ll say something like, “So you don’t let your cat lick your clitoris? LOL.”
When we’re talking about siblings, it starts with, “Do you have any brothers or sisters?” then becomes, “Which do you like better?” followed by, “Because they’re better in bed?” When I replied, “That’s disgusting. I don’t like talking about things like that,” it felt as though both the other person and my supervisor got angry with me.
The people who approach me as a papa (a male supporter) see that my profile says, “I have a cat, so please be aware if you’re allergic.” They start without even saying hello: “Oh, you have a cat,” followed by, “So, does your cat lick…” and then immediately invite me into an adult relationship (intimate). But my instinctive disgust takes over, and I haven’t yet had a papa with whom I’ve reached that stage. I do like sex, but when you ask whether I could be with someone who suddenly brings up things like that, it’s difficult. I also start to worry that they might secretly film me or pressure me not to use protection. We end up never building any trust.
“Bleak” may be an accurate description. This is an area where time seems to have stopped—not just in the Heisei era, but in the Taisho era. There are many unpaved roads, and it’s fairly common to see people working while carrying babies on their backs. Recently, some families have moved here from the city, perhaps because they dream of rural life or because of transfers, but they’re usually gone within a few years. Basically, there’s very little that’s new, and hardly anyone around.
It’s somewhere in Kyushu, but Fukuoka, Kumamoto, and Kagoshima seem like completely different worlds—so bright and glamorous, and I’m jealous. There are even people at the tourist attractions. That amazes me. The tourist attractions in my prefecture are empty. When I talk with my Twitter followers, they often ask me, “Has civilization reached you yet?”
On the other hand, it’s an area where earthquakes and power outages don’t cause too much trouble. All-electric homes are rare, and not many people depend on computers or smartphones. There’s also still an older generation that understands remote work but finds it suspicious and dislikes it. So it’s difficult… I suppose it’s the kind of place that some people find comfortable and others don’t.
I’m sorry for taking up so much space. I wish this site had a function that allowed people to reply to comments from those who answered.
So, in the end, I’m asking essentially the same question as before: In situations like this, what is the correct way to respond and handle things? Would having more charm solve the problem? Am I supposed to reply as if it were ordinary small talk, saying, “Of course I don’t do that—come on! LOL”? Was it wrong of me to say that I found it disgusting?
But it is disgusting, isn’t it? Just objectively. I don’t want people bringing up topics like that as casual conversation. I want to make it clear that I find it disgusting and want them to stop. But if I don’t say anything, I’m sometimes told that I led them on, so I do want to communicate that part: “This makes me uncomfortable. Please stop.”
For example, if someone suddenly messages, “Do you let your cat lick you?” with absolutely no warning, what would be the right response? I mean when that’s the very first message they send after exchanging LINE contacts—without even saying hello.
I can usually tell what they’re really talking about, but I still reply with something like, “What are you referring to?” Since messages like this really do come out of nowhere, I’ve been taking screenshots and keeping records, but I don’t understand the psychology behind it either. Am I handling it incorrectly?
Some kind people were worried that I might lose my place at work, but I’m fine. Thank you.
I’ve received many answers from men, and apparently even men think this behavior is strange. I had been wondering whether I was being excessively sensitive, so that’s somewhat reassuring. No one has ever told me that I lack charm, but people often say that I seem like a completely different person in text messages, or that I look angry and frightening. I’ll try to be more careful.
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Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
You seem dissatisfied with how the company handled your report, but other people aren’t obligated to accommodate all of your wishes.
The man in question has probably made some claims of his own as well.
There’s a saying that you shouldn’t pass judgment after hearing only one side, and the point is that everything won’t be decided based solely on your account.
If you’re still unhappy, your only option is to consult a lawyer. From the company’s perspective, though, you’ve already become someone they need to handle with care.
As for what you can do, the usual steps would be:
- Move somewhere else on your own.
- Consult the police as a stalking case and ask them to increase patrols.
- Ask the company to ensure that the man doesn’t learn your new address.
Regarding the cat, it would probably be best to assume that this papa is simply someone who gives you an allowance and give up on trying to understand him.
In other words, keep seeing him as a transactional relationship.
Giving up also means accepting things for what they are.
As long as he continues to give you a proper allowance, just respond with something like, “I see, things like that happen. It’s not like that with me, though,” and casually brush it off.
Hang in there.
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🏅 明け方に低頻度で浮上する回答者です
細く長く続けばいいなあ
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Fullerene here, making a rare appearance because of how incredibly long this post was!
★ If all the papas you’re being introduced to are like that, your profile may be part of the problem. Why not ask your branch representative to update your profile when you have your photos retaken? They might even add, “Not comfortable with dirty jokes.”
★ > Was it wrong of me to tell him he was making me uncomfortable…?
That’s probably it.
Based on the exchange you described, you responded with “That’s disgusting” just as abruptly as the man launched into his sudden dirty joke—you threw a perfect strike right back at him. If he’s the type of man who likes to control the conversation, that may have shocked him and made his blood boil.
Even if you don’t see yourself that way, I get the feeling you tend to come across as pretty cold. The older guys also seem to be struggling to communicate with you somehow.
Even taking that into account, though, your response was on a pretty exceptional level, lol.
Normally, you’d gradually escalate expressions like “That’s disgusting,” but I feel like you’re overwhelmingly lacking in that kind of skill—and have no intention of learning it either. So there’s probably not much point in explaining how you “should have” handled it.
You do seem like a unique and interesting person, though.
Rather than that, put your energy into finding someone who’s a good fit for you.
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It’s 3 a.m. Three o’clock for you, a complete disaster for me. This is your regular late-night shift worker, Taro, saying wanbanko! (^ ^) I read your previous question too!! I’m feeling inspired, so I’m going all out with this answer♪
First of all, wouldn’t having a cat lick your clitoris just hurt? Cats’ tongues are pretty rough, after all. Since ancient times, it’s always been dogs that you spread butter on and let lick you, and I think that’s wisdom passed down from our predecessors after plenty of trial and error. Besides, who even comes up with ideas like that in the first place? When I was going through my edgy teenage phase, I had a parakeet and a chipmunk, but it never occurred to me to have the parakeet—which could rhyme with “parakeet” and “private parts” in Japanese—bite my penis, or to feed the walnuts underneath it to the chipmunk. Even when my sex drive was pathologically intense and I tried to masturbate to the weather reporter while watching the NHK news, only for my parents to walk in—I never had thoughts like that, either. What was I talking about again?
Anyway, getting back to the point, that guy has absolutely no sense. Sending diary-like LINE messages right after saying hello is bad enough, and his constant attempts to steer the conversation toward dirty jokes whenever there’s an opening are also a turnoff. The fact that none of it is even funny makes it worse. I’d say this is a case where you should simply cut him off and move on to the next one. If he’s a really generous (well-paying) supporter and you want to keep him around, just send some half-hearted reply and leave it at that. Thinking about it seriously will only wear you down, so let AI come up with the responses. AI high schooler Rinna (ancient history) would work, or you could use the currently popular ChatGPT. It’s been hard to access lately, but Microsoft is apparently going to announce an integration into Bing search soon, so you might as well jump on something like that right away.
In any case, if you’re looking for a genuine emotional connection, you have to limit yourself to people who are on your wavelength. You do seem like a somewhat complicated person, questioner, but there are people who will click with you even if you’re like that. I had a classmate who kept a diary every single day for seven years at the time. He joined a securities firm and worked in sales, and apparently most of his clients’ complaints were things like, “I was supposed to make ¥300,000, but I only made ¥290,000.” So sayings like “birds of a feather flock together,” “there’s no accounting for taste,” and “every pot has its lid” are all true. I believe they’re wisdom passed down from the experiences of those who came before us.
But it’s not easy to meet someone like that. In the end, everyone keeps spinning the gacha, hoping to find exactly that kind of connection. To attract people and create options, women spread their legs like peacocks spreading their feathers, while men spread their bills like playing cards…
Incidentally, lately I’ve been fanning out the allowance like a hand of Old Maid whenever I give it to someone. It would be funny if they picked one card and played along with the joke, but so far every single one of them has just taken the whole hand. Which is fine, but it does make me think, “That’s exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about,” haha.
Anyway, I’ve gone off on all sorts of tangents, but I hope there was at least something in here that gave you a hint. Or maybe not. Who knows.
Taro
Other
I’m Zuiki, a male member who’s not usually on the Q&A site at this hour.
The questioner’s incredibly long post—including the previous question—was so overwhelming that I couldn’t help but answer~.
> For example, if someone suddenly messages me, “Do you let cats lick you?” with no warning, what would be the best way to respond? I mean when there’s no greeting or anything, and this is the very first message they send right after we exchange LINE IDs.
Hmm, what do you think? There’s no one “correct” way to reply, but how about responding politely by simply repeating their question and firmly denying it, every time?
To:
“Do you let cats lick you?”
Reply:
“I do not let cats lick me!”
To:
“Which one is better at it? Which one is bigger?”
Reply:
“I have no idea which one is better at it or which one is bigger!”
And so on.
Even though people who engage in sexual harassment will hopefully become an endangered species, a certain number of them will probably continue to exist, and you may still encounter verbal sexual harassment.
Since you’ve already consulted a lawyer, I suggest continuing to take screenshots, preserve the records, and keep seeking legal advice.
When doing so, be careful never to send replies that appear to condone the harassment or encourage the other person.
Life balances itself out in the end.
I hope you meet another good papa (a male supporter)!
Just sharing my thoughts as a stopgap until the amusing 3 a.m. answer arrives.