① Some women are suited to that, so I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad fit for you. However, if your only goal is an adult relationship (intimate), you might be better off going to a sex-service establishment.
I’d like to know more about the specifics of your goals.
② Some women use other services even if they’re Platinum or higher at a club. They work regular daytime jobs and aren’t making a living solely from this.
It’s easy to tell: if you register on the major apps at the same time, you’ll know they’re using them—there’s no need to figure it out any further.
③ I don’t think there’s any way besides Letter Date.
That’s all for my answers.
The following is just an aside.
As practice, I think it would be a good idea to meet a few women through a typical papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) app. I also started out on an app and met around 30–40 women during my first two or three months.
The definition of “semi-pro” is vague, but you can usually tell from the messages whether someone is working for an agency. Limited-area availability, suggesting an adult relationship (intimate) right away, being receptive when you suggest an adult relationship (intimate), and so on—there’s plenty of information about these traits online.
In terms of cost-effectiveness when it comes to meeting women you like, a dating club is overwhelmingly better when I factor in the value of my time.
On the other hand, if you’re judging purely by appearance, regular papa-katsu apps, paid drinking-companion apps, and lounges have a much larger pool. You’ll also find women there who would probably never register with a dating club.
I still use apps occasionally, but not specifically to identify the “semi-pros” you mentioned. Using both services isn’t automatically a dealbreaker either. If anything, I use them because there are women with those kinds of backgrounds, and also for practice when I’m in my 30s and have excess energy to burn.
I actually think it would be beneficial for you to meet a few people through an app first.
Then, once you try using a club, you’ll really appreciate what it has to offer.
…Also, I got the sense that you have a bit of an odd kind of pride about you (sorry if that sounds offensive).
If I can pick up on it, women are probably sensing it even more keenly.
Having some unsuccessful experiences meeting people through apps isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
It may seem like a roundabout route, but I think the connections you make through a club will be better for it.
As Aya-san said, women may see this as a lousy question, but there are parts men can relate to, so I’ll answer sincerely.
First, regarding 1: If you want to be intimate from the very first meeting, Type D is the right choice. If you look clean and have decent manners, Type C may also work, so it’s worth trying.
Next, regarding 2: From a man’s perspective, there are certainly women who try to get more money than you feel they’re worth. For example, even with Type C, some say they can’t be intimate the first time. With Type B, they may say it takes time to get close, but they want 20,000 or 30,000 yen—not just the usual 10,000-yen transportation allowance—for meeting during that period. Others might say, “I want to meet you, but because of certain circumstances… If I could get XX, I’d be able to make up my mind.”
But from a man’s perspective, it’s simple. If what you’re getting is intimacy, calculate how much it will cost to get there. If it exceeds your threshold, just say no. The important thing is how you decline. If the terms don’t work for you, it’s best to stop contacting each other. Criticizing the other person’s approach will usually lead to trouble, so don’t do it. (The same goes for women—complaining about someone whose values differ from yours will only end in an argument.)
Finally, regarding 3: Going through a club is not an option. Clubs don’t mediate those kinds of arrangements. There’s nothing wrong with meeting in person and negotiating, but if you’re going to lead with a specific amount, you’ll need to offer something at an appropriate level. For a pay-per-meeting arrangement, probably over 100,000 yen; for a monthly arrangement, perhaps 500,000 to 1,000,000 yen. Since you’re making the offer out of nowhere without any relationship established, it needs to be a suitably surprising amount.
Personally, I recommend first getting some experience with everything from adult entertainment to nightlife. Once you have a general understanding of what you’re looking for and what kind of situation gives you an advantage, I think it’s best to move forward from there.
Best of luck.
Taro
While saying you want to avoid semi-professionals, the way you phrase it as “hoping to progress to an adult relationship from the first meeting” sounds less like a hope and more like “I definitely want that kind of relationship.”
If you absolutely want an adult relationship from the first meeting, why not just go to a sex-service establishment? I don’t understand why you would choose not to.
A dating club’s role is to provide an opportunity to meet someone. Whether you can develop an adult relationship with the woman afterward depends on how much she likes you.
That’s why, for the first day, you should choose a restaurant she would enjoy. During the meal, the basic approach is to avoid talking about adult relationships and instead have a conversation like you would on a normal date.
Then, once you feel she may be interested in you, you might invite her by saying something like:
“Would you like to go to a hotel afterward? I was thinking of an allowance of ¥〇〇,000.”
Even women with Dating Type D at Universe have the right to decline a private relationship, so if things go badly during the meal, she may refuse to continue seeing you afterward.
However, if all you want is to have sex, I think a dating club is the wrong place for you.
You would probably be more satisfied using a sex-service establishment.
Dating clubs are also about enjoying the opportunity to meet and connect with another person.
If you can’t find that enjoyable, I don’t think this is the right environment for you.
As for answer 1:
Wanting an adult relationship from the first meeting is fairly common. It doesn’t mean you’re inexperienced just because you feel that way.
However, I think it comes down to whether you can properly win her over during the dinner date beforehand, whether you can accept that it was your own fault if you fail, and whether you can see the appeal in it precisely because success isn’t guaranteed 100% of the time.
As for answer 2:
Some women may use papa-katsu apps, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are semi-professionals.
As for answer 3:
The arrangement is decided through discussion after you meet, so it isn’t possible to determine it in advance.
1. There aren’t that many D’s, so C should be fine.
2. There may be some semi-professionals, but I think the feedback system works properly, so you don’t often come across people who cancel at the last minute or are otherwise problematic.
I don’t think there’s any way to tell when making an offer, but if someone receives repeated negative feedback, their star rating will drop.
That said, new members start with three stars, so you can’t really tell at first.
3. You can’t contact them directly beforehand; messages are relayed through the staff, and generally, you can’t decide the allowance in advance.
However, with a letter date, you can communicate directly.
Personally, though, I’m not a fan of letter dates.
Especially for beginners, I think it’s better to have the club arrange everything properly and discuss the terms face-to-face with the woman.
There are plenty of past answers in the question box about when to bring up the allowance and how to hand it over, so please refer to those.
Marika
Although it’s written politely, all I see is someone extremely self-centered and desperate to get laid.
You insist on having sex from the very first meeting because you’re willing to spend money, yet you’re also full of prejudice toward women.
You should really reconsider your attitude.
Akari
My experience was pretty similar. I actually tried online dating, didn’t like it, and ended up here instead. You should’ve given it a try too—it was a good experience for me.
1 → You can go with C as well.
2 → There are semi-professionals, people who do papa-katsu full-time, and people who work in the adult-entertainment industry, of course, but fewer than on apps. Also, there aren’t any industry recruiters here, so you don’t need to worry.
This also ties into point 1: depending on the allowance, anyone can meet you from the first time. Women in category D often give me the impression of being more experienced and somewhat professional when it comes to sex. You can’t really tell, though. You can sometimes figure it out if their profile says they work in the nightlife industry.
3 → Women have the right to choose here too. They’ll usually meet first and then decide whether they’re comfortable with the amount. You can’t unilaterally set the amount and finalize it before meeting.
A dating club is a place where you’re expected to be a gentleman—someone with money and status, who’s kind, well-groomed, and not pushy. That’s the kind of papa women want to date.
As an aside, if you don’t think you’d enjoy all of the above, a high-end hotel-based escort service that includes sex might be more likely to satisfy what you’re looking for.
If you can enjoy the excitement of being turned down because my allowance wasn’t enough, suddenly losing contact after the second meeting, or thinking, “I guess we weren’t compatible in bed,” then go ahead and register. If you make plenty of offers, you can meet all kinds of women: hidden gems, incredibly sexy and fun women, and women whose looks and figures rival those of models or idols.
I’ll refrain from answering points 1–3, since they seem to have been covered already. But judging from your post, it sounds like:
- You have no previous experience with women
- You want to get intimate from the very first meeting, every time
- But you don’t want a semi-professional
From a woman’s perspective, I’m sorry, but that comes across as:
“Wow, that’s awfully convenient for you… You’d probably complain if the other person didn’t match your ideal even slightly… What a hassle.”
Aren’t you thinking only about what works for you? The other person isn’t a doll—and this is a space where many of the women are inexperienced—so things are more likely than not to go differently from what you expect. If you’re not used to dealing with women, your chances of being turned down are even higher.
Above all, this isn’t “amateur escorting.”
Even with Type D, nothing is guaranteed. So if you absolutely want to go to a hotel from the first meeting, I’d recommend using an escort service or approaching women directly through street pickup.
Best of luck.
A dating club is a place to enjoy dating.
Please enjoy the experience without having your offers rejected like mine were.
1. Regarding the first point:
If things develop into an adult relationship from the very first meeting, it feels like you’re missing the point of enjoying dating. I think a hostess or escort service might suit you better, since it’s more direct.
2. Regarding the second point:
Some of the women you meet through dating clubs are quite impressive, and there seem to be some semi-professionals among them. But I don’t think you can tell who’s who until you actually spend time with them.
3. The third point is possible.
Anyway, speaking from my own experience, it’s quite a challenging world. But if you try different things and meet someone who’s a good fit for you, it can be wonderful.
There are good women out there, so take your time, choose carefully, and enjoy dating.
1. Basically, I’m hoping for things to develop into a relationship from the very first meeting. (If I were to join, I’d only plan to make offers to Type D women.) Would a man like that be a poor fit for a dating club?
♡ I think starting with Type C would be fine too.
I don’t think Type D is an absolute requirement. Otherwise, wouldn’t that just be prostitution?
2. Are there quite a few women who also use papa-katsu apps or dating sites—in other words, women who could be considered semi-professionals? And is there any way to identify them?
♡ I assume some use them alongside the club. I’ve also heard that women from the sex industry and nightlife businesses register with dating clubs as well.
☆ I think it would be difficult to tell. In fact, those women may provide better service.
3. Is it possible to tell a woman who wants to go on a date in advance how much I’m able to support her, and then meet after we’ve both agreed to the terms?
☆ You can’t have an adult relationship (intimate) unless both sides agree.
That’s because this isn’t a sex-service establishment.
If you’re already hesitating, maybe this just isn’t for you…
You say you want to avoid semi-professionals, yet you’re willing to pay just to join—even before paying an introduction fee before meeting anyone. What’s the point??
The process is more complicated, takes longer, and costs more upfront than the adult entertainment industry.
That said, once you join, everything is properly structured…
Whether you gain or provide peace of mind and energy ultimately depends on you.
Don’t overthink the pros and cons. If you’re interested, just join quickly, and if it’s not for you, quit right away. Whether it’s through a club or elsewhere, there’s nothing wrong with having some fun. And if you haven’t really dated or played around before, sometimes it’s better to start from there.
You say you avoid professionals and semi-pros, but the way you’re making the offer sounds like that’s exactly what the asker is looking for. Surreal. I like surreal questions, though.
1 isn’t really a problem.
As for women who use both papa-katsu apps and dating apps, there seem to be plenty of the former, but relatively few of the latter.
For women who have disclosed that they have that kind of experience, you can email the staff and ask before making an offer, so you can at least avoid some of them that way.
That said, it’s all based on self-reporting, of course, so there are probably many who keep it hidden.
Personally, I wouldn’t call someone a semi-pro just because she has experience with papa-katsu apps. I’d define a semi-pro as a woman who supports herself solely through papa-katsu…
You mentioned considering Type D, but I think there are probably very few women with no experience using papa-katsu apps, dating apps, or working in the adult entertainment industry who would choose Type D.
As for 3, that would probably be difficult with a arranged date. As Makeo-san said, it should be possible through a letter date.
However, presenting your terms before you’ve even met might please women who are essentially semi-pros, but there will also be a certain number of women who feel disappointed because they think they’re being treated like someone in the adult entertainment industry.
That might be different if you were offering a particularly generous allowance, though…
1. There’s absolutely no problem with it. I think it’s welcome, since it gives women in Type D more opportunities.
2. There are a fair number of them. I think they’re especially common among Type D, although there’s no data to back that up—it’s just my personal impression.
3. It’s possible through a letter date.
A letter date is when you exchange LINE or other contact information and communicate before meeting, after paying the setting fee.
How men use letter dates varies, but I use them to tell her the allowance amount in advance and avoid a mismatch. I’ve never made an offer to a Type D woman, but sometimes I feel like letter dates were made for Type D.
You’re probably wondering about my answer to No. 2. Professional papa-katsu girls don’t seem to be found among Types A or E, but there are a fair number of them among Types B, C, and D.
I’ve only encountered one professional myself. She was a Type B woman. I could tell from the way we negotiated the allowance.
I offered 100,000 yen, and she replied, “I’d be okay with 120,000 yen,” which almost killed the mood, but we still went on an adult date. She didn’t seem professional at all during the adult relationship, but it didn’t last. She had an incredible body and a cute face.
P.S.
No matter how unbelievably cute she is, I’ll pass on Type D. I enjoy the process of courting, so Type A is the most fun.
That said, there are far too few Type A women, and I’ve never seen anyone at the Platinum Black level, so I usually end up going with Type B.
If she looks good, I’ll consider Type C too, but I’m always shouting internally, “Why isn’t she Type B?!”
Recently, an absolutely incredible girl joined, and I was about to make an offer—then I saw she was Type D, so I decided against it. She disappeared from my view almost instantly.
If she’d been Type B, I would’ve made a rare pay-per-meeting offer of 200,000 yen…
