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Aug 3, 2022 22:58
This content is machine-translated.
Specifically, it’s the post dated July 29, 2022, beginning with “very quick-witted,” at the following URL, viewed in Chrome on my PC:
https://universe-club.jp/mensvoice/?page=9
(Even when I opened the same URL in multiple smartphone browsers, I couldn’t read it, and it didn’t appear when I moved to the previous or next pages either… I wonder if the cached content differs between PCs and smartphones…)
In any case, my question is about the content of this post.
Regardless of this person’s tone, I generally agree with the manual-like advice he gives, and much of it is something I try to keep in mind myself. However, there was one point that made me wonder whether I had misunderstood something, which is why I wanted to reread the post. It was: “② When handing over cash, do it in a way that neither of you is overly conscious of it.”
For a first meeting, I put the transportation allowance in an envelope and slip it into the gift bag, but I hand over the allowance immediately after entering the room and ask the woman to count it to make sure everything is there. I do this because I imagine she might worry, “Is the right amount actually in here?” when dealing with a man she has just met, and I also thought it might be difficult for her to bring up the subject and ask, “May I check it?” (From the second meeting onward, I don’t specifically say anything.)
Was this actually rude because it may have given the impression that I viewed her as being overly focused on money? Should I instead hand it over casually, without drawing attention to it, as this male member suggested?
Thank you to everyone who takes the time to answer.
P.S.
In my previous post (https://universe-club.jp/help/questions/view/13754), I was advised to make offers to a wider range of women, so I’m going to keep working on improving myself.
The second woman I met did come to the room with me, but I get the feeling there probably won’t be a second meeting… As you pointed out, I think there is a lot of room for improvement in areas other than the allowance.
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Other
I’m Potassium, a female member.
Personally, I like receiving it in a small gift envelope! It feels like getting New Year’s money, haha.
I check what’s inside after I get home. I feel that an allowance is a way of expressing someone’s feelings, so I don’t want to check it in front of the person I’m with. Checking the cash from a small envelope—or being handed money directly—in a public place makes me feel like I’m selling myself, and it really affects me emotionally.
(They say the trip isn’t over until you get home, after all… I like saving the fun things for later! That way, if I truly enjoyed our time together, I can thank him for the wonderful time on my way home, then look at the envelope once I’m back and thank him both for understanding our relationship and for the allowance.)
As Kazu-san said, it really comes down to personal preference, so if your styles don’t match, there’s not much to be done.
If it bothers you, why not simply explain why and ask the woman what she would prefer?
If both the person making the offer and the person accepting it feel that men and women are equals, then it’s kind of like a gacha for both sides… (and spinning the gacha is part of the fun)!
And if the result is an SSR—a person whose way of dating suits you—then I think you should pursue a long-term relationship.
I don’t think it’s about the specific details of how considerate someone is, but rather whether both people are showing consideration and genuinely care.
So if you’re not sure, why not ask? Asking is also a form of consideration, after all…
If the cash is handed over at a hotel or somewhere discreetly, a woman can simply think, “He’s doing that so I won’t have to count it in front of him.”
If it’s given in a small gift envelope, she can think, “He’s doing that so I won’t have to look Fukuzawa Yukichi in the eye.”
If she doesn’t like that, then the relationship simply won’t continue.
That’s just my personal opinion, though!
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m with Taro on this one!
You’re still young, so I think you should focus on becoming a better man.
And by “becoming a better man,” I don’t just mean keeping your manhood in good working order, of course…
The other aspects are even more important!
Keep at it!
Other
I read your previous question too, and honestly, I don’t think that’s really what you need to be worrying about.
I think you’d be better off patiently looking for someone you click with. It sounds like, with the first woman, you were outbid by other men even though your allowance was relatively generous. But she didn’t shut you down, so I’d say you’ve probably got the basic manners down. If that’s the case, the only thing left is whether you’re a good match or not.
Think back to the women you’ve dated in the past. Do you want to meet someone similar, or would you rather try something completely different and have a fresh experience?
If it’s the former, you don’t need any special techniques. If your basic manners are in place, all that matters is how you feel. Women are feeling the same thing. At the first meeting, you could act a little inexperienced and ask, “Are you sure I’m okay?” If she smiles and says yes, then looks away and responds with something like, “I think we’d get along really well,” that’s a bingo. You can probably tell without her saying it, but there’s something exciting about making her say it out loud, right? (Pervert.)
If it’s the latter, there are techniques you can use, but a numbers game works too. In fact, “the more shots you take, the more likely you are to hit” is statistically true. Even with assassinations, there are probably more cases involving shotguns or explosives than pinpoint shots like Golgo 13, right? If you want to master the art of “winning a woman over,” then go for it—it could be fun. But if you’re only interested in the end result, I think you’ll be happier just spinning the gacha over and over. If you’ve got the basic manners down, it shouldn’t be too bad in terms of cost-effectiveness either.
Oh, right—the question was about how to hand over the money, wasn’t it? Just to answer that: lately, I’ve been handing it over unfolded, like when you play Old Maid with cash. Since the allowance is sometimes on the smaller side, it’s immediately obvious how much it is anyway. (笑) Also, the better the relationship gets, the less you want to bring up money. So when those women are confronted with the cash right in front of them, they seem a little uncomfortable. Sometimes they quietly say, “Thank you,” while looking away. Even though up until that point they’d been talking loudly and casually, joking around like crazy… That awkwardness is another adorable point, really. (Pervert, part two.)
Sorry for rambling.
Taro
Other
Hmm (+_+) I still don’t get it.
Anyway, students carefully study guides on how to ace the interview and show up fully prepared—but what’s scary is that the interviewers aren’t worried at all that they’ve already read those same guides, lol.
At this rate, you’ll be one step behind forever!
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
> You need practice when it comes to handing over the money.
Exactly. That’s why you should learn how women like to receive it by practicing with women outside the club.
Whether it’s your girlfriend, wife, or daughter, it’s a good idea to get used to smoothly and naturally giving an amount and using a method that women can relate to and respond positively to in terms of their everyday sense of money.
That said, I think the questioner’s problem lies in factors other than how the money is handed over.
I haven’t read the survey.
Other
I read this date review with interest too. I honestly assumed you might be “Makeo,” the guy who always seems to lose.
As for how the allowance is handed over, I don’t think either way is a problem. If you’re dealing with someone who makes you worry about details like that, I doubt the arrangement would continue smoothly anyway.
I never check what’s inside the envelope. I simply don’t date people I’d have to suspect like that.
The fact that you ask questions, read date reviews, and even say that you want to improve things beyond the allowance gives me a good impression of you. That said, maybe you’re worrying a little too much. I hope you meet someone you can enjoy spending time with without overthinking everything.
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I read your thoughts, but the fact that you walk around town with a woman already makes it a no-go.
You seem like an ordinary papa (a male supporter)—the kind you see anywhere—with some areas where you’re considerate and others where you’re not.
The way you hand over the money takes practice. You need to give it discreetly so it doesn’t feel like a payment and offend her pride. It’s important to hand it over smoothly, with genuine appreciation.
I sometimes say, “Please count it.”
Also, I generally make offers to B-type women, and even with a C-type woman, I don’t book a hotel.
Instead, I simulate the route at the same time the day before, or during the same time slot on the same day of the previous week. It’s preparation to ensure I can escort her smoothly to the room.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
There’s no single “right” way to give someone their allowance.
Personally, the only thing I’d avoid is handing over cash in an obvious, awkward way where other people can see.
By the way, I read your date recap, and it came across as incredibly pushy. If I were a woman, I don’t think I’d want to date this man.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I think people have different reactions to different things.
For example, I make a habit of booking a hotel in advance, but I imagine some women might feel that’s a little too well-prepared. In the same way, something one woman appreciates may make another uncomfortable.
I think that’s why we keep making offers—to find someone whose feelings and preferences are reasonably compatible with our own.
In short, there may be situations where “Make sure it’s properly on” is appreciated, and others where it isn’t.
Also, I think asking or wondering whether something is appropriate by using “women” as the subject ignores the fact that you’re dealing with an individual person, which I find disrespectful.