Hello. Five, ten, or seventeen per pay-per-meeting—aren’t those amounts a bit petty?

With a monthly budget of ¥500,000 for papa-katsu, you might be able to maintain an arrangement with one woman. However, if you want to meet several different women, I think it would be difficult. No matter how wealthy they are, people generally don’t hand over a large amount of money right from the start.

Female member Potassium here. Wow, 300 or 500 is incredible! lol Come to think of it, developed countries once spent huge sums of money building wells in developing countries. But apparently, when those wells broke down, the locals—who had gotten used to drinking clean water from them—would get sick from drinking the muddy water they’d had before the wells were built. People who hand over large amounts of money so easily may look cool in that moment, but I don’t think they’re actually all that impressive. I think the most wonderful kind of person is someone who provides enough long-term support for you to eventually become financially independent, so that you won’t be left struggling if you ever part ways with your supporter. Of course, the person receiving the support also needs to want to become independent. But if someone genuinely likes you and thinks about your future, then giving you a reasonable amount over the long term, with your best interests in mind, feels like the truly cool way to approach a relationship based on money. What? Is that too serious? A dating club is a utopia separate from work, family, and everyday life. To sum it up, what I’m trying to say is: The more money, emotional stability, and love someone has, the less likely they are to give an allowance in a way that prevents a woman from becoming independent! They have money because they aren’t impoverished in spirit— so a certain number of the people at the club are always enjoying good times financially. That’s just my personal opinion, though. And wow, this got long... I’ll do my best to summarize it.

I’m voting for Mac. Right away, it’s all, “How much am I worth to you?” He just keeps going on and on about money. So petty. —Akari

The only time I ever tried to use money to get involved with a woman I had fallen for was in my twenties, when I had just started earning money. The moment I succeeded in winning her over, I lost interest. I think you can enjoy it within the limits of a ¥500,000 monthly budget. Offer one woman a monthly arrangement and see her a few times a month. Trying to offer that to two women a month would probably be pretty tough.

Whether they’re a woman or a man, it’s the person who has value—not the money or the amount of money. > The owner of a Ginza club earns 10–20 million yen a month… The “horse owner” from Kitashinchi (industrial waste disposal…?) gives new women over 10 million yen a month. For men like this, aren’t women who aren’t swayed by money actually more valuable? What value is there in using money to win over women in Ginza—women who were already inclined to be swayed by money in the first place?

What are you talking about? I don’t think this is really the place to ask that.

Even ¥500,000 a month is kind of stingy, though. Marika

My debut on Universe was: Dinner: 4 Adult relationship: 14 The adult relationship amount was the dinner amount plus 10. I didn’t know the going rate for adult relationships, so I came up with my own theory and set the amounts above. At the time, I mainly pursued black-ranked women in Kyoto and Nagoya, then expanded to Tokyo, Osaka, and Hiroshima. I even used to see three women in one day. Good times. Since 14 was such an awkward number for a debut, I started using it as my baseline, kind of like scoring contestants on M-1 Grand Prix: “Maybe she’s a 12?” “She’s totally my type♡ Let’s make it 16!” The allowances I’ve actually given are: 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 20 50 100 I don’t have monthly arrangements at 18 or 19 yet. The 50 and 100 were both for the same woman, whose initial pay-per-meeting amount was 12. I don’t spend money on myself. I love Aoyama suits and Sukiya, and I only eat at conveyor-belt sushi restaurants. I check price tags obsessively, shop at supermarkets because convenience stores are expensive, and even at supermarkets I go for the sale items. So I’m probably not that wealthy—the allowances I give are just a little high. Also, the women I offer to would absolutely never accept 5 on a pay-per-meeting basis. So it’s not that my allowances are unusually high; it’s just that the women I’m targeting have a higher going rate. I like polished, breathtaking beauty. The lounge hostess I’m seeing earns 25,000 yen an hour at her lounge. Anyone who knows the industry can probably tell what level she’s at among lounge hostesses. And of course, I suffered defeat after defeat at lounges before finally winning her over. Just to add one point: even if you pay a horse 100 million yen, it might still only be worth 5 on a pay-per-meeting basis. So wealth and allowances may seem correlated, but they really aren’t always. One more thing: when it’s a woman you’ve truly fallen for, there’s no upper limit. It wouldn’t end at around 100 a month. I don’t genuinely fall in love, so 100 a month is my limit. I don’t feel women are worth more than that. I absolutely adore my ace, but I haven’t fallen for her. Since I haven’t fallen for her, I don’t provide any more support than that. Even the people answering here would turn someone who usually pays 5 per meeting into someone who pays 100 if it were a woman they had truly fallen for. That’s just how it works. Everyone likes women, but surely none of them have actually fallen for them. **Edit** Someone made a good point: when the money stops, so does the relationship. From a woman’s perspective, a man who doesn’t provide money is worthless. As proof, if your favorite papa suddenly stopped giving you an allowance, you’d lose interest in seconds.

A man might casually throw around figures like 3 or 5 million yen for a woman he’s fallen for, and then suddenly switch to being stingy: “Can I still enjoy myself if I keep myself disciplined and act like a gentleman with about 500,000 yen a month?” (Does that make me a personality-disordered person?) I think it depends on how you want to enjoy yourself, as well as what kind of woman you want to date. For example, if you want to go on two dates every day, that would mean meeting 60 times a month. If the allowance is 100,000 yen per pay-per-meeting date, you’d need 6 million yen a month just for allowances. There are also setting fees. If you want to meet a new woman every time, those fees could cost another 6 million yen if you’re going through a premium service. Then there are hotel costs, meals, and so on. If we estimate those at 3 million yen, you’d need 15 million yen a month. With the economy in such bad shape, maybe even that would be considered reasonable. (笑) So if that’s the kind of dating you want, 500,000 yen is nowhere near enough. That said, if you want to somehow make things work within a monthly budget of 500,000 yen, it’s not impossible. Just stick to dates that fit within your means. Since the way you phrased your question came across as malicious, I answered in the same spirit.