I’m finally starting to become recognizable under my alias.
I guess Maezawa is the only one who’s noticed that I’m self-promoting...
For the time being, please let me enjoy being a questioner.
Now, my question:
I imagine there are some giver members here, but do you give high-end brand accessories or similar gifts from the very first meeting?
The key point is “from the very first meeting.”
I’d also like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons.
After reading your answers, I may try it experimentally myself.
If cuteness is justice, does the power of money count as justice too?
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For starters, even if I received something that wasn’t really my style, I’d still say, “Thank you. Are you sure I can accept something this expensive?”
If it really wasn’t my taste at all, I might think, “If you were willing to spend that much, I would’ve preferred ○○ instead,” but I wouldn’t say it.
A gift like that might be enough to get you a second meeting. But whether there’s a third depends on your appeal. Just because someone gave me a gift doesn’t mean I’ll date someone I don’t like—not even if they give me a gift every time or offer a generous allowance.
If they seemed harmless, I might keep them around as a once-a-month option. That’s about it.
I’d like to see you test the effect of expensive gifts by making offers to at least 20 people with gifts and 20 without, then comparing the results.
Good luck.
Marika
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Honestly, it just feels like another strange one has popped up.
You’re free to give it a try, of course.
But even if you give her a large sum of money or luxury designer items, there’s no guarantee it will lead to an adult relationship (intimate).
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Huh? I thought you were the kind of man who would buy her something worth several hundred thousand yen from the very first meeting.
But if you’re going to overthink it or calculate the pros and cons, you’re better off not doing it. Your post gives off absolutely no sense of confidence or generosity as a man.
Whether you meet through a club or outside one, if on the first date you casually and spontaneously buy her something she wants to see, something she’s been interested in for a while, or something she’s wanted—without hesitating over the price—the woman will be surprised, and the effect can be tremendous.
Just as Make-otoko wrote:
> When you ask women in the ultra-high-class tier, you get almost the same answer.
> “I’m attracted to men who know how to spend money gracefully.”
Exactly. With so many men competing for their attention, I think that difference really stands out.
That’s why the most effective opportunity is the first date, especially when you’re meeting outside a club.
The reason is that nobody knows whether they’ll get a second chance to meet, so most people don’t take such a bold step. With a club, the difference is that you’re more likely to meet a second time, and your ulterior motives are obvious. Even so:
> 1. The ability to have her accept an expensive gift smoothly, without making it feel unpleasant
> 2. Expecting nothing in return—spending money gracefully
If you can do those things, it can be highly effective even through a club.
The key is making the woman feel that you aren’t expecting anything in return. If she feels that way, she’ll be genuinely overwhelmed with happiness, thinking, “What? Why?” But if she senses calculation, she’ll become wary, and it will have the opposite effect.
She may be surprised because it happens so suddenly and unexpectedly, but you’re doing it simply because you genuinely don’t mind if you never get to see her again—that’s how much you like her.
That’s the point.
In other words, it isn’t some strategy at all.
She’s simply too wonderful,
and her beauty and amazing qualities moved you to do it.
So:
> I’m thinking I might try it as an experiment.
There’s no point in spending money in such a calculated, underhanded way.
It should be an expression of the happiness you feel in that moment—the moving experience of a happy moment in life when you think, “Being with you feels this good.”
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If I were a woman, I’d be wary if someone handed it to me on the first date, thinking it was probably something with a story behind it. The possibilities would be: ① it was meant for someone else, but that relationship ended; ② it’s an extremely convincing fake; or ③ it’s stolen.
If he took me to a store and bought it for me, I’d just assume he was a papa who liked shopping. There are actually quite a few dinner-only (no intimacy) papas who enjoy shopping. Maybe they have a beautiful wife considerably younger than them and want to save their energy for their adult relationship, while still wanting to go on dates with other beautiful women. In a way, it’s pretty luxurious. They also do quite a bit of shopping for themselves. More clothes than accessories, usually. They’ll spend anywhere from several hundred thousand to several million yen on clothes for a woman in one go.
Whether he’s a papa who showers you with money or a papa who likes shopping, once you realize there’s something that really motivates him—or a particular point you can use to keep him interested—you should keep postponing the adult relationship, dangling it in front of him like a carrot in front of a horse. Once you feed the horse the carrot, it won’t run anymore. And horses like running in the first place, so they know they’ll enjoy it more if you don’t give them a finish line.
I hear that Takafumi Horie enjoys the experience of recovering his principal after suffering a string of gambling losses more than he enjoys winning in the first place. Human pleasure takes many forms.
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Hello, TOPGUN♪
I think it would be interesting to have you make regular appearances as the person asking the questions, so please do ask some.
For a certain number of women, knowing that a world like this exists can be encouraging.
At the same time, though, women who never receive a substantial allowance will absolutely hate you for it—just like they hate me, haha.
Now, to your actual question.
I give expensive gifts to confirm what stage I’m at as a man.
Being able to casually give a high-value gift from the very first meeting, have a beautiful date, and then barely contact her afterward—that’s how I confirm the stage I’m at. In other words, whether I’ve reached the point where I can give an expensive gift without expecting anything in return.
When I ask women in the ultra-high-class tier, I get almost the same answer:
“I’m attracted to men who know how to spend money elegantly.”
On the other hand, spending a lot of money in a tacky way will put them off.
It’s not about the woman’s reaction, how she feels, or what effect it has on her.
It’s about:
1. The skill to have her accept an expensive gift casually, without making it feel boastful
2. Being able to expect nothing in return—to spend money gracefully
That’s why I feel TOPGUN-san may not quite be at that stage yet.
When you ask about the “pros and cons,” in this context, it seems like you’re asking about the woman’s reaction.
Personally, when it comes to a woman I absolutely adore, I give her cash rather than a present.
That said, you apparently have a papa-katsu score of 74, so I’m sure you already have the skill to casually give an expensive gift from the very first meeting without expecting anything in return. Any woman who receives an offer from TOPGUN-san is lucky.
By the way, I’m in Hiroshima right now. I’m heading back to Nagoya for a lunch date, passing through your Kobe on the way.
Let’s meet someday♡
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I wouldn’t do it from the first meeting.
The reasons are exactly as Rin and Aya said. Also, people have their own preferences, so even if it’s a high-end brand, it could still be unwelcome. In that case, I think cash would be better.
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Here, money is practically everything, isn’t it?
People like me, who can’t quite get there, have to struggle and think of all sorts of ways（笑）
That said, I’m not the type to give presents, and as Aya says, I also feel that receiving something right from the first meeting might be nothing but frightening.
Money—cash—is everything. I think a larger cash allowance is the most effective thing. There’s probably nothing that beats cold, hard cash.
If you give someone a present without knowing what they like, it might end up being an unwanted gift—basically trash. If she could sell it online for around 70% of its value, I get the feeling that what women really want is simply the cash…
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> If cuteness is justice, does money have the power to be justice too?
I’d call it common sense rather than justice.
Money can lead to crime, but it also helps create a comfortable society to live in.
That said,
it might be better not to bring it up right from the start.
For me, it usually comes up after she’s asked me for something during the conversation—that’s based on real experience.
P.S.
You should become a respondent yourself...
Mr. Loser is fighting a one-man battle here（笑）
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If this isn’t just bait, you should stop doing that from the very first meeting. People feel fear and anxiety when faced with behavior they can’t understand.
For the beautiful women you approach, the romantic feelings and desires of a man 20 or 30 years older are already impossible to understand—in other words, frightening. So please put yourself in their shoes and imagine what it feels like to have a stone thrown at you by someone you don’t even like, right from the start.
Love can become violence sometimes.
(Before going on about some hollow “justice”—like “cuteness is justice” or “the power of money is justice”—just to justify your own desires, I recommend reading the Marineford arc of *ONE PIECE*~)
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I’ve never had a papa buy me a high-end designer accessory on the first meeting, but…
If that really happens, I’d be afraid that I wouldn’t be able to say no if he asked for an adult relationship (intimate) right from the start. I’d also worry about being made to do something weird or being expected to give a lot in return. I’d probably be suspicious and think, “There’s no way it could be that easy…”
Wouldn’t it be better to wait until you’ve gotten to know each other?
I think I’d be happier if he surprised me with a gift on an ordinary day after we’d become close.
Oh—if there are no strings attached, I’ll be waiting for a pair of Alhambra earrings! LOL
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It’s Top Gun! (⌒▽⌒)
For a woman who probably has tons of competition, this might work precisely because it’s unexpected.
As a Standard member focused on one-on-one arrangements, I’m just an ordinary guy who’s never even thought of giving a first-meeting gift.
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