I believe the allowance and the nature of the relationship should be decided through discussion between each papa and PJ.
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I receive 50,000 yen per meeting, but I feel that people with greater financial means, or arrangements that are more demanding for the PJ, can reasonably involve 100,000 yen or more per meeting.
For the same reason, even if it’s 30,000 yen per meeting—or 50,000 yen per meeting for two rounds—I don’t think it’s anyone else’s place to butt in and criticize.
I understand that each respondent is simply expressing their personal opinion, but why is everyone taking shots at papas who pay 50,000 yen per meeting for two rounds?
It feels a little off to me.
Why can’t everyone just do what works for them?
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I’ve been saying this ever since I started answering questions about two or three years ago:
Isn’t it different for everyone? As long as both people are satisfied, that’s all that matters.
Every so often, you see posts from people who may be scouts—or professional women, or whatever they are—who criticize others for offering low allowances, or make vague questions, opinions, or complaints about supposedly high allowances they’ve received, whether true or not. Maybe they thought they’d get criticized for offering 50,000 yen.
I offer 50,000 yen too. Sometimes less, but never more, no matter how beautiful she is. A second round is also possible. I’m seeing women who are satisfied with those terms, and I’ve never been turned down.
I’m not trying to brag about being wealthy or popular. People may think I’m stingy, cheap, poor, or inconsiderate, but I honestly don’t care what anyone other than my partners thinks of me or whether they criticize me.
I simply have my own style of dating. That’s all there is to it.
So, questioner, you don’t need to worry about other people’s styles either.
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With my favorite papa (a male supporter), we always do three rounds without an allowance.
Oh—you didn’t ask.
Though he gave me another big gift recently, so I probably shouldn’t say I get nothing. But in reality, I don’t receive a pay-per-meeting allowance.
Aside from this papa, the lowest- and highest-paying ones differ by about seven times per meeting. But both the papas and I are happy with our arrangements, so I think that’s what matters.
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Even if it’s 5 for a pay-per-meeting arrangement, I want to be intimate with her many times… Are there many women who feel that way?
I really think it’s cruel to ask a young girl for a second time, so please stop doing that.
I don’t understand the idea of giving 10 just because you’re wealthy. Is that the mindset of a one-hit wonder?
If a woman genuinely comes to like you, then as a man, you should gradually increase the allowance.
But if you feel she’s keeping her distance and you’re not enjoying yourselves, wouldn’t it be fine to lower it?
An allowance isn’t something you give because someone tells you to, but if it’s too low, she may not agree and things could end sadly. That’s the only thing you need to be careful about.
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I don’t think people are criticizing a pay-per-meeting arrangement of 50,000 yen for two rounds. They’re criticizing the man’s stinginess, his cluelessness about how women feel, and his embarrassing misconceptions.
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I don’t think people who can communicate properly are the ones asking these questions. I imagine they’re asking because they have doubts or feel something is unreasonable about the way their relationship is going, and they have no one else to turn to.
As the person asking the question said, I think it’s fine as long as both parties discuss things properly and agree on the terms.
Some may say that women should assert themselves more, but I don’t think many women are able to do that. And since many men on dating clubs are relatively skilled at asserting themselves, I think it’s not uncommon for women to get pressured into going along with things.
I’m not saying that pay-per-meeting arrangements are inherently bad. I’m only saying that a man is a piece of trash when he puts unreasonable pressure on the person he’s seeing.
I believe the bare minimum expected of men on dating clubs is to behave like gentlemen, so if someone goes against that, I’ll criticize him.
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If it’s 5 per meeting, I don’t think you should brag about being rich.
You could simply avoid playing up your wealth in front of women and say, “Oh, you don’t have that much money? But if possible, I’d like to do two rounds for 5.”
I suppose that’s what you’d call “discussing the terms.”
When someone keeps hinting that he has plenty of money, but then says it’s only 5 per meeting, I assume he’s really no more than moderately well-off. And if he actually is rich, I’d think he’s just incredibly stingy.
For the record, the reason I criticize other people’s allowances is that I became an answerer with the goal of raising the going rate for allowances. It’s a mission I’ve taken upon myself.
That said, I do get bored of it from time to time, so I wish someone from TOP GUN in Kobe would hurry up and start answering questions.
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Since papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) still involves a relationship between a man and a woman, the man needs to make the woman feel good and happy, including making intimacy pleasurable for her.
After all, he’s paying her to spend that time with him.
So in papa-katsu, more than in an ordinary relationship, he needs to be considerate of her feelings.
As long as both people understand that, and the woman is comfortable with—or welcomes—what they do, whether she actively wants it or not, I think they’re free to decide for themselves.
Since money is being used as leverage to some extent, if both sides are going to enjoy the relationship, the person spending the money has to be especially considerate. Otherwise, it’s unfair.
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Are you referring to the answer to the previous question?
If anything, I saw it as advice for women who end up agreeing to something even though they don’t really want to—not as someone putting them down. As for the amount and frequency, they were simply saying, “This is how I do things.”
I’m also a two-rounds kind of person. Since I’m well-endowed, it’s hard to find women who are okay with that（笑）
Exactly—everyone should do things their own way. I don’t believe in having a set allowance either.
Maybe the person asking this question feels some guilt and that’s why they took the previous answer as an insult? I didn’t see it that way at all. I’m openly not exactly rolling in money（笑）. I just do things my own way.
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I also think everyone should do what works for them, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to ask a question like this.
The reason is that all of my dating partners seem perfectly satisfied with a pay-per-meeting allowance of 50,000 yen. So even if Mr. Early is paying 100,000 yen per meeting, I don’t care at all—even if we happen to be seeing the same girls.
Why are you getting so worked up, questioner? It’s embarrassing.
P.S.
I don’t really believe Loser Guy’s claims about how much he pays per meeting anyway—they sound pretty dubious, lol.
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If you’re a PJ who can’t find another papa (a male supporter), I suppose it can’t be helped.
But going for a second round is really hard on your body unless you have genuine romantic feelings, so I’d rather you avoid it if possible.
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