I’ve been involved in papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) for five years and have been with Universe for two. I’d consider myself a fairly experienced papa (a male supporter).
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So far, I’ve made offers to nearly 10 Type C women through Universe, and every one of those relationships developed into an adult relationship (intimate) by the first or second meeting.
On the other hand, I’ve made offers to and met around five Type B women, but none of those relationships progressed to an adult relationship (intimate).
Of course, we had dinner for the first meeting, and I also kept the second meeting to dinner. But from the third meeting onward, they stopped being able to meet for various reasons, such as “I can’t work up the courage,” “I suddenly started feeling unwell” (the morning of the meeting!), “I’d need an allowance of at least 150,000 yen,” or “I’m scared of COVID” (even though dinner had been fine!?).
My own analysis is that the women I’ve made offers to have all been especially attractive for their rank, so it’s possible they already had a good relationship with another papa (a male supporter).
Do Type C women tend to prefer seeing multiple supporters, while Type B women tend to want to focus on just one?
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I might be a bit unusual, but lately I’ve been prioritizing B when making offers. I learned here that with C, it’s considered rude not to make an offer if you think she’s a good girl, so it actually feels like pressure to me....
With B, there are also cases where she makes a counteroffer if she likes me after talking, and I find it more relaxing when she takes the initiative.
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I’m Fuu. I recently parted ways with my monthly arrangement and haven’t been able to find the next one.
For the first time ever, I went through two B-type offers in a row—and lost both. Before that, I had one failed C-type offer, so that makes three losses in a row.
What do you think caused me to lose?
→ We didn’t click, or the allowance didn’t work for him.
→ I wasn’t chosen because he didn’t like me.
→ He didn’t feel I was someone he’d want to have an adult relationship with.
On to the next one! I’ll keep making lots of offers until I’m chosen, and do my part to support the club too.
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A lot of opinions have already been shared, but my impression is that, since she’s a B type, she may be more selective about her partners than someone who’s a C type.
I’ve dated three B-type women in the past, and all of those relationships lasted a fairly long time. However, I was probably the only one with whom they had an adult relationship (intimate).
Before making an offer, I ask the staff how many offers she has received. The women also often tell me things themselves, so based on that information, I objectively get the impression that they tend to be popular. I don’t have one specific type when it comes to looks, but I like beautiful, cute, or seemingly popular women, so I think I’m fairly selective with my offers.
In reality, as long as I’m completely fooled into believing I’m the only one, I’m fine with it. There may have been others, or there may currently be others for all I know.
That’s why, regarding my impression of B types, I feel there are generally two patterns, just as the person asking the question suggested: those who genuinely focus on just one person, and those who are good at acting as though they’re focused on just one person.
In my case, I do think being young works strongly in my favor. However, I also pay an appropriate amount of attention to everything else: cleanliness and grooming—hair removal, skincare, personal scent, working out at the gym, and clothing; gentlemanly behavior, including date planning and choosing restaurants, conversation, and my conduct; and the allowance. I give a reasonable amount for both dinner only (no intimacy) and an adult relationship (intimate). I’d say I’m also someone who works on self-improvement.
That isn’t solely for papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), since my professional position plays a role as well, but I believe it often works to my advantage.
It might be worth taking an overall look at yourself and reconsidering things.
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B courts her as if she were his girlfriend. Of course, by “courts,” I mean with an allowance included. In any case, he puts himself in her shoes and approaches her with the determination to solve all her problems completely. About half of these relationships last six months or more.
Drive relentlessly toward sex.
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If you’re 100% a C, I’d assume your cleanliness and basic manners are probably fine. Losing five times in a row at B is perfectly normal, but if I had to offer one piece of advice, it would be to pay close attention to the person you’re dealing with.
Some women who select B are actually closer to C. Others are really C but choose B because they don’t want to make things awkward by turning someone down. With women like that, once you’ve talked for a while at the first meeting and realize you haven’t been rejected, things can move quickly. In other words, if you don’t move things along promptly, you may miss your chance. On the other hand, there are women who aren’t like that at all, and if you start discussing the terms of the arrangement with them right away, they’ll be completely put off. Figuring out which type you’re dealing with is the most important thing.
People often say that winning over the latter type is about seduction techniques, or that being handsome gives you an advantage. But I don’t think those things matter all that much. In the end, what matters most is whether your wavelengths match. If you can identify women who are compatible with you and create a path that makes it easy for them to meet you halfway, I think you can find happiness.
B women in their late twenties and older are especially difficult. Maybe because they have a fair amount of experience, many of them have their own worldview about how the world works. You need to carefully create a path for them to meet you halfway, and there’s also the question of whether you’ll still genuinely like them after thinking everything through strategically and fitting the relationship into a set pattern. On top of that, women in their late twenties and older also seem particularly sensitive to a man’s hesitation about these things. It’s all pretty complicated, haha.
Anyway, keep at it and don’t let the setbacks get to you. Failure is the mother of sex, after all.
Taro
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I was out drinking with one of the answerers lol
Long time no see.
I only offer B-type arrangements.
Just because, I guess lol. I won’t spell out the rest.
Maybe you should try doing the same?
But really, it’s strange to classify women into types like this in the first place. Isn’t it possible for someone to become an A-type with just one comment, rather than it all depending on the man?
That kind of dignity is what makes them wonderful, isn’t it?
Though, what do I know?
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I’m a Type B, so I can’t move on to an adult relationship unless I like the person to some extent. Especially if I had multiple offers and met several wonderful men, I think I’d naturally be selective.
Also, perhaps men who make offers to Type B women have more flexibility. Among the men I met, one said, “I’d like to support you in whatever kind of relationship you’re comfortable with. Even if you don’t want it, it’s fine if we never have a physical relationship,” while another said, “I had a great time talking with you, so I’d like to keep meeting you for dinner. Of course, I’ll give you an allowance.”
Both were genuinely wonderful people, so I’ve continued seeing them. I joined the club knowing what I was getting into, but I think there are certainly women who would choose a situation without an adult relationship if they had several men willing to give them a generous allowance.
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Is it really possible to have a 100% success rate with Type C and a 0% success rate with Type B?
I could understand it a little if it were 100% with Type D and 0% with Type C.
Send me an offer—I’ll judge it for you. Though I guess an old guy wouldn’t stand a chance...
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Five offers and not a single yes…?
If you’re getting rejected nearly 100% of the time with Type C women, I wouldn’t say your overall profile is particularly bad, but I’m not sure you could call it especially good either. Sorry to put it bluntly, but let’s assume you’re an average or slightly below-average guy in terms of overall specs.
Attractive women tend to receive a lot of offers, so an average-spec guy may not get much attention from them.
Why not try making offers to a few Type B women whose looks are around average or below average and who probably don’t receive as many offers?
If they all turn you down too, then there may be some fundamental issue.
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Like Dai, I’m also curious about what happened afterward with the person who was Type C.
Are you still seeing each other?
If you are, I think there are probably people who would still be willing to see someone even if the allowance for Type B arrangements were reduced.
That said, judging from the way you describe it, I can’t help feeling that they’re merely willing to see you as a favor.
—Marika
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What happened with the Type C women after you dated them once or twice?
If those relationships continued afterward, I think you’d also have better luck with Type B women.
As for whether Type B women tend to focus on just one person, I can see why you’d feel that’s true. However, in your case, I don’t think that’s the reason.
Some people have suggested offering an allowance of 15, but that was probably just a polite way of turning you down.
A stunning Platinum-level woman I used to see once told me, “When I’m dealing with a man I don’t like, I suggest a relatively high allowance of 100,000 yen. It would be awkward if he agreed to it, though…”
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I’m a B type, but the hurdle for an adult relationship (intimate) is definitely higher than with a C type. That’s only natural, since I joined after being told that I wouldn’t have to become intimate from the very first meeting and that I shouldn’t force myself.
In other words, the women who have already made up their minds to some extent as C types may accept you, but you’re the kind of man who won’t be accepted by cautious B types who want to consider an adult relationship after taking various things into account, such as the other person’s appearance and allowance…
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Do you know what “Type B” means?
They’re men with whom a woman feels she’d be comfortable progressing to an adult relationship (intimate). Some may occasionally lean more toward Type A.
Would it be fair to say that Type C supporters tend to prefer seeing multiple women, while Type B supporters tend to want to focus on just one?
That has nothing to do with it.
Type B supporters are often somewhat particular about cleanliness, and they can’t have an adult relationship with someone they’d feel embarrassed to be seen with.
To be completely honest, I’m sorry, but I think there’s something about your appearance, smell, or similar that’s putting them off. Even if you offered them 200,000 yen, they’d probably still have an instinctive aversion.
Most people here take pretty good care of their appearance. Try taking a close look at yourself and honestly consider what might be turning them off.
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Isn’t the reason obvious?
If you really want to move things forward, why not try offering 150,000 or 200,000 yen?
There may be someone willing to go along with it at least once because they want the allowance.
Akari
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Offers will come flooding in for B—do you think she can handle an adult relationship? Men swarm around cute girls who are nervous and hesitant. And they’ll all come at her from different angles: emphasizing the money, stressing safety, saying there’s no need to rush into an adult relationship, and so on. While she’s busy agonizing over all the options, she ends up fed up with the whole thing. Those girls gain nothing from it, yet they’re victims too.
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If things aren’t working out with even one woman, I feel there must be some underlying issue.
Considering that some women say, “I’d like an allowance of at least 150,000 yen,” it could be interpreted as meaning that you’re a man who struggles unless the allowance is substantial. So I suspect there may be a problem with your appearance, the way you talk, or your way of thinking.
To begin with, I’m puzzled as to why you didn’t go through with it after the meal with the woman who proposed 150,000 yen. You should have considered it a learning expense and tried dating her.
You probably would have gotten more accurate information that way than by asking here. I think it’s more wasteful to be stingy about it and remain unsure what went wrong.
There are women who have arrangements for 150,000 yen, after all, so it also raises the question of why you didn’t agree then. Perhaps your allowance is simply too low.
Even if you couldn’t afford it at the time, I think you should have taken the plunge, seeing it as a chance to find out what the problem was. If a similar opportunity comes up again, try going for it. I think you’ll gradually understand what went wrong.
There must be something that people who have never met you can’t identify. If things aren’t working out, learn from the women themselves. That’s the quickest way forward.
> Some answers say that I should have agreed to an allowance of 150,000 yen, but that was probably just a polite way of turning me down.
I’m sure that’s probably true. Even so, if you had replied, “150,000 yen is fine,” you might have been able to move on to an adult relationship (intimate). And once that happened, she might have said things like:
“You turned out to be much kinder than I expected.”
“I was scared during dinner.”
I feel that sort of conversation might have come up. That conversation is precisely what matters. If you can’t steer things in that direction even after moving on to an adult relationship (intimate), then I’d start to think you may simply not be suited to this in the first place.
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If there’s any general tendency based on the relationship type, I’d say that Type B tends to consider taking things further from the second meeting onward, while Type C is more likely to consider it from the very first meeting.
Also, it’s not “rank”—it’s “class.”
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Simply put, you’re the problem—and quite seriously so. You should give up on the B type already.
Also, papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan)—and, for that matter, life in general—is about people who have begun to contemplate death giving various things to those who are still trying to make their way in life.
So unless you have something truly distinctive to offer, you won’t stand a chance against a papa (a male supporter) who can accept everything about a real woman older than you.
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> Do women in Type C tend to date multiple people, while Type B women prefer to focus on just one?
I’m sure there are women like that, but I can’t help feeling that the real issue here lies elsewhere this time（笑）
The woman you made an offer to simply wasn’t interested in an adult relationship (intimate) with you.
Wasn’t it obvious from her eyes that she wasn’t interested in anything “adult”?（笑）
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