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Dec 26, 2021 12:28
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Why not double the offer fees over the course of a few years?
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木田(社長)
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👨 Male
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I’m Kida, the representative.
Isn’t the reason you’re being offered such a ridiculously low allowance that your intelligence is below par?
Whether you’re a man or a woman, if you want a higher allowance, then offer the other person twice the value on your own.
I’d like to raise the setting fees and membership fees—make them ten times higher, even. But that has nothing to do with allowances.
Neither men nor women are looking for cheap, prostitution-like encounters.
If you could give them an electrifying experience every single time, they’d pay you as much as you asked, wouldn’t they?
Our members have been through a lot. What we want is to guarantee them an experience where, once they join the club, all their past struggles will unquestionably feel worthwhile.
I’d love to offer life-changing encounters for two million yen.
🏅 パパ活歴7年目突入
彼氏/既婚/他パパ/セフレOK/全力応援
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Fuu, a column writer.
If the questioner’s ultimate goal is to increase the allowance they receive, I think it would be more realistic to look for ways to raise their own allowance rather than trying to change how the club operates.
For example:
- Applying for an interview at a salon
- Increasing the number of papas (male supporters)
- And so on
I don’t see any basis for the assumption that raising the offer fee would automatically lead to higher allowances.
On the contrary, there aren’t an unlimited number of wealthy men, so I feel it would create more disadvantages for both club management and female members:
- Fewer male members
- Fewer offers
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
Maezawa from the President’s Office will answer this one as well.
If your question is whether offers that are too cheap affect the low level of allowances, I don’t think they do.
For example, suppose an extremely famous female celebrity were registered and her allowance was set at one million yen.
Whether the offer fee was 20,000 yen or one million yen, I think men who wanted to meet her would still offer one million yen.
In other words, only people willing to pay one million yen would make an offer, so the offer fee itself would not affect the allowance.
As for allowances, with Universe, the woman and the man negotiate and decide the amount directly.
This is because, in order to avoid the dating club being seen as prostitution, anything after the meal is treated as consensual private dating. Universe’s service ends with matching the two people, and everything after that is considered private dating.
Since it is private dating, the two people should discuss and agree on the desired allowance themselves. If the club gets involved, there is a possibility it could be considered prostitution.
At other dating clubs, an amount—say, 60,000 yen—is set in advance for each woman, and men make offers knowing that amount. Since there is no negotiation, the allowance is less likely to be reduced.
However, that also carries a risk of being arrested for prostitution.
If men and women register with clubs like that and are caught for prostitution, will it really not affect their jobs? Do they register knowing that risk?
That’s what I find myself wondering. But if you set aside the risk of being caught and having it affect your company or career, it does seem like a good system for keeping allowances from being lowered.
So, I suspect the main reason allowances tend to be low is that the system allows the amount to be negotiated directly.
Under the current system, if all the women registered with the club worked together and refused low allowances, I think allowances would stop declining—but that seems difficult to achieve.
As for the offer fees, I don’t think simply raising them is necessarily the answer, so it’s a difficult issue.
Still, I think it would make sense to have a high-end dating club above Universe as the parent organization.
I’ve heard that SALON makes this difficult, but SALON has physical locations, whereas dating clubs do not. Considering that difference, I think they could coexist with clearly separate roles.
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a losing male member who’s been trying to raise the going rate for adult allowances to 60,000 yen or more, even though I feel completely surrounded.
The conclusion is pretty clear: cheap men stay cheap for life, and generous men stay generous for life.
So I don’t think raising the setting fee will actually raise the going rate for allowances.
The least we can do is label low-paying papas “Sekobitch” on social media, in this Q&A forum, or wherever, and call them out.
A cheap-paying john = a Sekobitch.
Some people probably hate being labeled, so it might have at least a little effect.
By the way, I consider myself a high-paying papa. I’ve raised my pay-per-meeting allowance from 100,000 to 150,000 yen, and from 150,000 to 200,000 yen, but the women don’t put in any more effort during sex.
I used to hope that increasing the allowance would make them more enthusiastic, but unfortunately, the experience itself doesn’t change at all.
I hope women will keep this in mind too: the problem isn’t only on the Sekobitch side.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Dai, a male member.
If you’re dissatisfied, why not sign up with a dating club that charges higher offer fees?
I’ve heard that on low-cost apps, an allowance of 30,000 yen is pretty standard. Considering that allowances of 30,000 yen seem less common at Universe Club, you may have a point.
That said, I don’t think a company can be run based solely on how high the women’s allowances are.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member.
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