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Sep 16, 2021 16:06
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I’ve done letter dates several times before, but usually we exchange messages for a while before deciding when to meet, so I’m honestly confused.
I assume he chose a letter date to avoid paying the offer fee, but would it be okay to turn him down now?
Part of me thinks I could just meet him for dinner, but if he’s this stingy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he only offered 5,000 yen for transportation either, so I’m not sure what to do. (It costs me 5,000 yen round trip to get from where I live to the nearest station to the meeting place.)
But I’m worried that if I cancel the letter date after accepting it, I’ll receive negative feedback.
What should I do?
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🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member—and a total loser at this.
What women care about most is probably, nine times out of ten, in this order:
1. The allowance
2. Your personality and character
3. Your looks
The second and third might occasionally be switched, but first place is pretty much non-negotiable.
So during the messaging stage, the man should smoothly bring up the allowance and say something like, “If these terms work for you, let’s have dinner to see whether we click.” That’s probably the most reassuring approach for women.
Sure, there are women who’ll meet you without discussing the allowance. They do exist. But they’re incredibly anxious, so they’ll have their guard firmly up—and even if you manage to meet them, you’re almost guaranteed to struggle.
A man who makes the woman bring up the allowance is the worst kind of papa.
The papa should be the one to swallow his embarrassment first. And by embarrassment, I mean discussing the allowance. Making the woman talk about money is completely out of the question.
Think about it the other way around.
If a man were doing mama-katsu, the thing he’d care about most would be the allowance, followed by the mama’s looks, right? Probably. Would anyone really do mama-katsu with the mama’s personality as their top priority? Of course not.
If the allowance were generous, you’d probably tolerate the mama’s looks to some extent, right?
The only one foolish enough to think this is supposed to be a meeting of two hearts is the papa.
Women do papa-katsu to earn money, so whether it’s a real-life date or a messaging-based one, the man should bring up the allowance tactfully himself.
Questioner, if you feel uneasy, you don’t have to meet him. He didn’t discuss the allowance, and even the transportation money was questionable. The papa is the one who made you feel uneasy, so you haven’t done anything wrong.
And this is something I really want to say loudly: if a man dislikes women bringing up money or calls them “money monsters,” then he has absolutely no right to complain about their looks.
If you hate talking about money, then you’d better embrace any woman who shows up, even if you don’t find her cute. Absolutely no exceptions.
- Men judge women almost entirely by their looks.
- Women judge men almost entirely by their allowance.
That should require no further explanation.
The men who call women “money monsters” are the real money monsters themselves. How many times have I said this now?
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Dai, a male member.
I think he’s trying to discuss making plans to meet soon because he feels bad about continuing to message on LINE for free.
When I do a letter date, I usually arrange to meet after just two or three messages.
I can’t say whether being stingy with the offer fee means he’ll also be stingy with the dating expenses.
My guess is that you’re probably attractive and receive plenty of offers if you’re considering turning him down over something this minor.
By the way, sorry for jumping in, but if someone sent me a message like Maezawa’s example—“an allowance of ¥20,000 for dinner, ¥80,000 for an adult relationship,” and so on—I would unfortunately be the one to turn them down.
迷わない70代
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パパ活歴11年目、回答者歴8年目の関西在住者。パパ活終活中(笑)
Age: 70 or older
👨 Male
Former Universe member
I’m a lost 60-something.
In short, you simply want to turn him down because he’s a man with no tact… right?
As I recall, the arrangement was that after the letter date, you’d give her ¥5,000 to ¥10,000 for transportation when meeting for the first time.
If one reason for turning him down is that he assumed, “The transportation money will definitely be ¥5,000!”—in other words, that you’re cheap—why take it that far? The amount was simply based on what the club had told him.
Since you were already corresponding through a letter date, wouldn’t it have been enough to say, “It will actually cost me around ¥5,000 in transportation, so I hope you’ll understand”?
You have no intention of telling him that, do you?
P.S.
Looking at Maezawa-san’s sample answer, I get the impression that lately there’s been a lot of talk about raising allowances(笑)
Somehow, all the topics have been rather dull…
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
I’ll answer as Maezawa from the CEO’s office as well.
> But I’m worried that if I turn down the letter date I already agreed to in this way, I’ll receive negative feedback.
First, once you send the initial message, the letter-date setup is complete. That’s why I assume you sent a screenshot of it to the club.
After that, it’s simply a matter of personal choice.
Even if the club receives negative feedback saying that you never replied, the staff will probably just think, “Well, if his messages were poorly written, that’s bound to happen.”
They rarely blame the woman.
If you’re still worried about negative feedback, report it to the club before the man does.
You could send feedback along the lines of:
“He suddenly asked when we could meet, so I felt uneasy about meeting him.”
It would also be a good idea to send the club a screenshot of your LINE conversation.
> What should I do?
You could turn him down by saying something like:
“I felt uncomfortable because you suddenly asked when we could meet without introducing yourself, so I don’t know anything about what kind of man you are. I’m sorry, but I don’t think we can continue seeing each other.”
Alternatively, if you’d be willing to meet as long as the transportation costs and allowance are properly arranged, you could be straightforward and say:
“How much allowance are you offering if we have dinner only and then go our separate ways? My preference is ¥20,000 even for dinner only, and I’d like to receive it at the beginning of the meeting. If we go to a hotel, I’m asking for ¥80,000, to be paid upfront when we enter the room.”
People who ask so bluntly may actually prefer that kind of directness.
If he says your terms are too high, you don’t need to reply—just block him. If he agrees to those amounts, you might consider meeting him.
P.S.
> If a man sent me a message like the example from Maezawa—¥20,000 allowance for dinner and ¥80,000 for an adult relationship—I’m sorry, but I would turn him down myself.
That example is for dealing with a man who communicates properly, right?
Are you really calling it a letter date when he suddenly sends only six characters saying, “When can we meet?”
Someone that rude, who sends such a thoughtless message, is probably the kind of awful man who thinks, “When can we meet? How much would be acceptable? If she doesn’t say, I guess ¥20,000 should do.”
No woman would respond that way to someone who approached her properly.
I think that says it all.
P.S. 2
> Lately, there seem to be a lot of discussions about trying to raise the allowance(笑)
Well, if you only look at the numbers, I suppose that’s how it appears—but let’s set that aside.
The point is that you need to clearly discuss the terms with someone who communicates so thoughtlessly.
Still, a letter date where the first message is just, “When can we meet?”
That isn’t even a letter anymore.
A chat date?
Honestly, if this is what it’s come to, I think they should just abolish the whole thing.
What a pointless system.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member.
I often hear women say that they received an offer through Letter Date but declined to meet because the conversation didn’t feel right. I think it’s perfectly fine to turn someone down.
I was about to say that even if you receive negative feedback, it shouldn’t become an issue as long as you send the club feedback explaining the situation, as described in your question. However, I’d forgotten that the rating system was made automatic a few months ago. In addition to submitting feedback through the form, why not explain the situation via LINE, which you use to contact the club, and let them know that you’re worried your rating might be lowered out of spite?
I’ve already brought up the drawbacks of this automated rating system with the club, so hopefully they’ll take some kind of action.