Tips May 11, 2021 12:38

Is this what allowance negotiations are like for everyone?

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Sometimes I’m asked how much I’m looking for, give an amount, and get an easy yes. Other times, they try to negotiate. (It varies depending on the person, but even at the high end, it’s under ¥50,000, so I don’t think it’s an unreasonable amount.) As for what those negotiations involve, I’ve never encountered the kind you sometimes see in answers on Q&A sites—something like, “Instead of meeting three times at ¥30,000 per meeting within a ¥100,000 monthly budget, let’s meet twice for ¥50,000 each.” All I’ve experienced are attempts to flatter me excessively to get me to lower my rate. Being told I’m beautiful, seem intelligent, or have a great figure is nothing new to me (I assume that’s true for everyone in an agency who has received offers), so I don’t see any value in superficial compliments that are only meant to make things cheaper.
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I’m Tetsu, a male member. When I first joined the club, I used to negotiate. I’d hear what the woman wanted and agree if it seemed reasonable. If I felt it was a little high, I’d state what I was comfortable with and try to meet somewhere in the middle. These days, I don’t negotiate. I tell her my terms, and if she isn’t satisfied, we either end things there or continue with a limited relationship as a dinner-only papa (no intimacy). Even if I negotiate and get my way, she’ll probably still feel dissatisfied. And if I agree to her terms, I’ll be pushing myself, so it’s obvious the arrangement won’t last. Talking about money isn’t particularly pleasant, so I prefer to settle things quickly.
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I’m Aya, a female member. I don’t like having conversations of that nature, so I don’t negotiate. I feel a vague sense of disgust at putting a price on myself and telling the man, who’s the buyer, “This is how much I cost.” So I go along with whatever amount the other person offers. I think a papa’s offer reflects the value he places on his own desires. So when someone offers ¥500,000 or ¥300,000, I think, “I guess he believes his desires are worth ¥500,000 or ¥300,000.” I don’t complain about it—I just accept that that’s how he feels. With this approach, I feel a little less mental strain. Of course, some people might say I could get more if I negotiated, or that I would have gotten more. But I have this strange sense of pride that I want to hold on to, at least in this one respect.
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Maezawa from the CEO’s office will answer this one too. > Rather than negotiations like the ones I sometimes see in answers on the question box—“Instead of meeting three days at ¥30,000 per pay-per-meeting within a ¥100,000 monthly budget, let’s meet for two days at ¥50,000”— I think I may have written something like that before, saying that would be a better approach. In reality, though, not many people seem to do that. > All I’ve ever experienced are negotiations where men shower me with compliments in an attempt to get me to lower the amount. I don’t approve of negotiating for a lower allowance. Ideally, if the woman’s desired amount is higher than what you’re willing to pay, you should simply walk away. But in reality, I think a lot of men do try to negotiate it down. That said, if they’re at least showering her with compliments, I suppose that’s not quite as bad. According to what I’ve heard from women, some men even switch into lecture mode, saying things like, “Explain to me what makes you worth that allowance.” I can’t help wondering what they think they’ll accomplish by lecturing her, but I wish people like that would go extinct. > “You’re beautiful,” “You seem smart,” “You have a great figure”—I’ve heard all that so many times already. Are there really that many inexperienced men? These are things beautiful women have been hearing for decades. Do they not realize that women like that are already used to hearing them every day, so the comments have no impact? Of course, I understand the urge to tell a beautiful woman she’s beautiful when you see her. But it has zero effect, right? Still, there are inexperienced men out there, so please give them a pass on that. As for negotiating for a lower allowance, there are occasionally women who give in, so I think men keep trying it with other women after getting that initial taste of success. Hopefully, the men reading this question will stop trying to negotiate lower allowances from now on…
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I’m Kazu, a male member. Was there something mentioned about a budget range? Maybe that was in Maezawa’s answer. Even if there was, I think it’s rare for people to bring up their monthly budget during negotiations. At least, I’ve never mentioned mine. Since I don’t know whether we’ll be compatible in bed, I don’t even know how often I’ll want to meet her—or whether I’ll want to see her again at all. I’ve also never negotiated to have the allowance lowered. So I don’t think everyone approaches it that way. In my case, I either agree without much fuss, or say, “It’s a shame our preferences don’t match,” and part ways.
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