I’m a BB7 male member.
This is an issue that keeps coming up again and again.
In my case, I offer 1 for dinner only (no intimacy), and 5 total for an adult relationship (intimate). Is that not fairly standard?
I’ve never had anyone complain or had any trouble over it. As long as both sides confirm the terms of the arrangement from the start, shouldn’t that be all there is to it?
Maezawa from the CEO’s Office here. I’ll answer as well.
Your understanding is correct. However, some men are dishonest too.
I think you should be cautious and assume that a man who doesn’t pay upfront at dinner is usually trying to pull something.
Why?
Because when he says, “How about five?” there’s often a sneaky intention to deceive the woman behind it.
If a man doesn’t want to pay upfront at dinner, you should generally assume it’s because he’s trying to trick her.
Even if he pays the club-rule amount of ¥5,000–¥10,000 upfront at dinner, it doesn’t really disadvantage him. Those are simply the rules.
The fact that he doesn’t pay means he has the bare-minimum mentality of trying to get away without paying.
You shouldn’t trust men like that.
Getting back to the point:
“How about five?” is just a sly way of saying, “How about five, including the club-rule amount of ¥5,000–¥10,000?”
If the dinner-only amount is one, then the adult relationship (intimate) portion is four.
So, to avoid being tricked, if you haven’t received the club-rule ¥5,000–¥10,000 at dinner, you should get it before leaving after dinner.
Then, if you receive five at the hotel, both of you will be on the same page.
Some people may think, “But we’re not actually on the same page.” However, once the man realizes he can’t trick you, he’ll give up, so I don’t think there will be any man who then says the amount is four. In that sense, you can assume that you both understand the allowance to be five.
That said, some men may genuinely have forgotten, and if you insist on it too firmly, there’s a chance you may not receive any further allowance afterward—or he may simply stop inviting you.
So, while naturally assuming, “This guy is trying to trick me,” I think it’s best to respond to “five” by saying, “How about six?”
If he says, “Six is too much,” you can then say:
“Five is fine. But please also give me the ¥5,000–¥10,000 required by the club rules.”
Another option is to knowingly accept that you’re being tricked and continue seeing him while treating him as nothing more than an ATM.
Of course, if a better man comes along, you can cut off the dishonest one immediately.
It’s frustrating and difficult, but I recommend thinking about where the benefits are for you and acting accordingly.
> If we enter into an adult relationship (intimate), do I only receive the amount for that?
No.
The club-rule ¥5,000–¥10,000 must be paid in every case.
The trick is exactly what I explained above.
I’m in Seattle.
Since that rate will continue, the first meeting is important. I’m fine with either including transportation costs or paying them separately.
If they say “five,” make sure to clarify what that means.
I find it a hassle when transportation is separate, so I suggest a specific amount upfront, saying it includes transportation.
I’m Kazu, a male member.
Generally speaking, transportation costs are transportation costs, and the allowance is the allowance.
