Universe Club Customer Success representative Karasaki here.
From what I’ve heard from the men, rather than offering ¥10,000 for “○○,” I think more of them decide the amount they’ll give from the outset.
If 90% of them continue seeing you, the men you’ve met seem to have generally liked you, so it may simply be that many of the men making offers have decided that the initial transportation allowance is ¥5,000.
Maezawa from the President’s Office here, answering as well.
Thank you for your question.
> I don’t understand why someone who only gives you 5,000 yen whether things work out or not wouldn’t hand it over before the meal.
It’s simply the man being selfish.
I think he just wants to confirm his own sense of superiority by putting up a little resistance for no particular reason.
After all, whether he gives it to you before or after, the club rules require him to pay it, so there’s really no difference.
Even men who say paying in advance would ruin the mood probably wouldn’t refuse if the rules said they had to pay it together with the setting fee.
If the club isn’t collecting the money, perhaps they simply don’t want to hand it over until the last possible moment, as a way of asserting their status.
That may be the psychology behind it.
So, in my opinion, a man who can’t give you the money upfront at the meal just wants to act superior.
And when someone says, “It’s okay not to follow the club’s request, right?”—I wonder if they’re also the type who refuses to wear a mask at stores that request it, simply to get their own way.
Come to think of it, Horiemon got into an argument with a store once.
In that case, since it was a restaurant, Horiemon’s argument was more rational, and I did wonder whether the staff really needed to get so worked up. But if it had been an ordinary store rather than a restaurant, I think the staff would have been in the right.
I’ve gone off on a tangent, but in Japan, when someone makes a request, most people generally comply because they feel they have no choice.
But people who think they’re important don’t want to follow other people’s instructions.
So they think, “It’s only a request, so I don’t have to follow it, right? I’m important, after all.”
That’s probably how they see it.
> What kind of women receive the maximum transportation allowance? Does the difference in appearance or personality play a role as well?
Some women receive 20,000 or even 30,000 yen for dinner only, which is more than the maximum.
Women are prohibited from asking for it under the rules, but there’s no problem with accepting whatever amount a man offers.
As for where the difference comes from, it depends on the man, so I think it comes down to whether you receive an offer from that kind of man.
Perhaps those men have a particular type they prefer, in which case differences in appearance may play a role. But if I had to choose, I’d say it’s mostly luck.
> I’ve received several offers, and nine out of ten have progressed to an adult relationship (intimate) and continued, but I’ve never received more than 5,000 yen for transportation.
On the other hand, I think you could try declining the adult relationship (intimate) after receiving the 5,000 yen following the meal.
For example:
“We just discussed an adult relationship (intimate), and I agreed, but I was told that 5,000 yen was what you give when you’re not particularly interested, so I’m going home.”
Even if he says, “That’s not the case,” you could say:
“I’m sorry, but I felt that all I was worth to you was the minimum 5,000 yen. I’m going home today.”
Since the man might complain to the club, you could also tell the club:
“I was disappointed that the transportation allowance for the meal was only 5,000 yen, so I declined the adult relationship (intimate).”
That makes the reason clear: you declined because he offered 5,000 yen.
So even if the man complains to the club, they can simply listen while thinking, “She says she declined because it was only 5,000 yen, so there’s nothing we can do. She didn’t do anything wrong.”
The beginning is crucial in everything.
To avoid feeling frustrated while still following the rules—asking for 10,000 yen after receiving 5,000 yen would violate the rules, but saying you won’t have an adult relationship (intimate) because you were only offered 5,000 yen does not—you should think about what you need to do to receive 10,000 yen if that’s what you want.
Incidentally, the approach above involves holding back in order to get 10,000 yen, so you’ll probably end up receiving less overall. But in exchange, you may be able to avoid feeling dissatisfied.
In any case, I don’t hear much about a 5,000-yen transportation allowance in the Kanto area. Is this somewhere outside the major cities?
There may be regional differences, though.
I’m Kazu, a male member.
I always pay the transportation allowance of ¥10,000 upfront, except on one occasion when I gave ¥5,000. I believe that was when I made an offer somewhat half-heartedly to a woman who kept changing her relationship preferences, making me wonder what she actually wanted. I suppose you could say it was based on the personality I inferred from her profile. The reason I offered to someone who didn’t really motivate me was that I wanted to maintain my position as the male member who paid the highest setting fees at my branch（笑）. Of course, I also hoped that she might be different in person.
I’m not directly involved, so this is just a guess, but I think a man who only gives ¥5,000 whether the date goes well or badly—and doesn’t hand it over before the meal—might either be a bit of a dreamer or want to put pressure on the woman by withholding the transportation money. By “dreamer,” I’m only speculating, but perhaps he dislikes the idea of paying to have a woman spend time with him. Personally, I think it’s silly since the timing of the payment makes no difference, but apparently some men place importance on that.
As for putting pressure on her by not paying the transportation money upfront, he may be trying to take advantage of the woman’s hope that being pleasant could lead to the allowance being increased to ¥10,000. That doesn’t necessarily mean the man is simply cheap; he may have arrived at that way of thinking after a bad experience on a previous first date, such as a woman behaving unpleasantly and making him uncomfortable.
The woman I gave ¥5,000 to never progressed to an arrangement, and the first date itself was boring—she simply spent the whole time telling me about her problems. However, I gave ¥10,000 to the woman who left me the most disappointed after a first date, so I still believe it’s best not to judge someone solely by their profile.
I’m a male member, “Paper Airplane.”
With women from the club, I’ll give them ¥10,000–¥20,000 if we meet—even for just five minutes or a brief moment. Whether they’re Type A or Type B, even if I’ve already lost interest in continuing things. Even if we part ways right afterward.
That said, I feel pretty uncomfortable giving the allowance upfront, so I hand it over afterward.
Even if it’s only ¥5,000, I think the fact that you were given something at all is what matters, so there’s no need to worry about it—especially if things continue afterward.
If I were to give it upfront, it would be ¥5,000. But these days, I feel like that would make me lose interest—and kill the mood—right then and there.
