This is my first official post.
https://universe-club.jp/help/questions/view/6070
I have a question for the person who posted the question there, as well as everyone who answered it.
The article below discusses Janome’s experiences and information, as well as the general “going rates for papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), including celebrities” that I learned about in connection with this matter.
Please refer to these first.
My Thoughts on the Reports About Nonno Satake (22), Produced by Rino Sashihara, and Her Dating Club Activities
https://universe-club.jp/column/omou
My Thoughts on the Reports About Nonno Satake (22), Produced by Rino Sashihara, and Her Dating Club Activities, Part 2
https://universe-club.jp/column/jyanomeho
I will now directly dispute the following claims made by the questioner:
> Most people offer 70,000 or 80,000 yen.
> Occasionally, there are people who offer 100,000 or 150,000 yen.
> I’ve never been offered 50,000 yen or less, so I assume the going rate at dating clubs is around 70,000–100,000 yen.
> The men who offer 70,000–80,000 yen all say the same thing: “Among the women I make offers to, many also suggest 100,000 yen. I’ll agree for the first or second meeting, but I don’t feel like seeing them regularly.”
Even though people with connections to the industry have submitted opinions and answers saying that even gravure idols and talents are doing well if they receive 100,000 yen, why is the questioner casually assuming and talking as though amounts like 100,000–150,000 yen—which are far removed from the going rate—are normal? And why do some respondents fail to deny that these rates are “absolutely high,” instead offering opinions that seem to agree with her?
Janome has never met a woman at Universe who was worth that kind of money, nor, even looking through the profiles on the website, has he found anyone he would want to meet badly enough to pay an introduction fee of over 100,000 yen for a Black-class woman.
Even when meeting someone I absolutely wanted to win over, I might add around 20,000 yen to the usual 40,000–50,000 yen allowance due to the momentary circumstances, but I would never meet her a second time or thereafter for as much as 70,000 yen or more.
In addition to the 40,000–50,000 yen, there are cases where I give 10,000 yen for a taxi if it gets late at night, or cover transportation plus the Green Car surcharge when taking a local train to the suburbs.
As for staying overnight because it gets very late, several scouts I have known for a long time have advised me to pay 1.5 times the usual allowance, on the assumption that there will be two rounds, one at night and one in the morning—6,000–75,000 yen when calculated from 40,000–50,000 yen.
The advice from the scouts Janome knows is that women tend to think in terms of “How much per round?” so staying overnight would mean twice as much, but that would understandably put off many men, so 1.5 times is appropriate.
From Janome’s perspective, I want to treat girls who haven’t become jaded from dating apps as well as possible. On the other hand, with women like the questioner who are laboring under such delusions, I feel that there is no value—not even in answering their questions, let alone meeting them—and that it would be a waste of time.
My basic preference is for a clean-cut first- to third-year female university student who hasn’t become too jaded by dating apps, both in appearance and personality. I guarantee 150,000–200,000 yen per month, for three or four meetings.
In almost every case, the idols, gravure models, talents, race queens, and cabin attendants Janome has met did not personally ask for more than 100,000 yen.
Even a former member of the now-defunct SDN48, who I watched every night singing “GAGAGA” as part of the active selection group, was 150,000 yen. That included the cost of coming straight from the TV station and taking a taxi back to western Tokyo after the meeting.
Even an active AKB selection member was 100,000 yen for the first meeting and 70,000 yen thereafter.
The following article explains that, among OECD member countries, Japan’s average annual income in 2020 was at 106% of its 2000 level, which is treated as 100%.
Have Japanese Wages Barely Changed Over the Past 30 Years!? What Is “Monopsony,” the Condition Reflecting the Pathology of the Labor Market?
https://data.wingarc.com/monopsony-27501
What on earth leads someone to arrive at the kind of deluded thinking expressed by the questioner? The exchange between a delusional woman and an unhinged papa (a male supporter), being discussed in a question box directly operated by Universe, could itself drive up papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) rates unfairly across the board. Wouldn’t that encourage the worst possible situation, where humble women are taken advantage of on dating apps or suffer allowance reductions after meetings, while worthless women like the rotten lounge hostesses in Nishi-Azabu, who have nothing going for them, throw their weight around?
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Even without having met her, isn’t the questioner a woman who isn’t worth even a 50,000-yen allowance?
Aren’t some of the respondents pretending to be gentlemen while thinking, “There’s no way anyone pays that much”?
That is all.
※To Mr. Maezawa:
If you are not going to publish this question, contact Janome immediately.
There is no need for lofty lectures about my language being too harsh or this not being a proper question.
In any case, I intend to have this question published somewhere everyone can access.
I’m だて◎ゆめ, a male member.
I feel that the recent posts about extremely high allowances are probably questions designed to steer people toward those kinds of high amounts. I can understand that feeling.
That said, I do think that male members with plenty of financial resources can certainly offer a high allowance. However, men with that kind of financial means are probably fairly selective when choosing women, so the woman’s “quality” will naturally be called into question as well.
If the beginning is treated as a trial period, some men may offer a high allowance simply as a tip. But when it comes to deciding whether to continue, I think the woman would naturally need to be worth that high allowance. So I feel the number of women who are able to continue seeing such men will gradually become smaller.
The content of questions about allowances probably also varies depending on whether someone is aiming for a one-off arrangement or an ongoing one.
I think most posts about extremely high allowances are aimed at one-off encounters. It’s also commonly said that offers generally don’t continue for very long, so in the end, they seem to converge on the kind of question that appears in dating-club advice columns: “I’m not getting any offers.”
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This is Maezawa from the CEO’s office, responding after the warning.
> “You’re speaking as though an amount far removed from the going rate were perfectly normal.”
What exactly is the going rate?
If you say something is “far removed from it,” that means there’s a set market rate.
Are women commodities?
Do you realize how absurd it is to insist that everyone must agree to the same price?
You should think carefully about who is actually mistaken here.
There is no fixed going rate. Free dating means both people discuss the terms and agree on what they’re comfortable with.
> “Isn’t the questioner a woman who isn’t even worth an allowance of 50,000 yen?”
You insist that a woman you’ve never even met has no value…
That’s an awful thing to say.
How would you feel if someone told you that the salary they were paying you wasn’t worth that much? Maybe you should think about it that way.
If you don’t think someone is worth it, then simply don’t make an offer in the first place.
If you think she’s worth meeting but not worth offering a higher allowance, then just tell her that directly.
But I don’t think things will go well that way.
I imagine most women wouldn’t want to meet someone who arbitrarily decides their value.
The amount of the allowance is up to the people involved.
I don’t understand why you’re trying so hard to steer people toward low allowances here.
Women are already looking at the men; there’s no need to push them in that direction.
It’s not only men who judge women.
If a woman thinks a man is a good person, she may spend time with him even at the allowance he prefers.
Please stop trying to impose an artificial going rate.
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I’m Maezawa from the President’s Office.
I’m not sure what you’re afraid of, but there’s nothing problematic about the content itself, so I’m allowing it to be displayed.
However, the final four lines could potentially be interpreted as threatening. Depending on the circumstances, they may constitute obstruction of business by force under Article 234 of the Penal Code.
Incidentally, this is not a crime requiring a complaint from the victim, so you could potentially be arrested even if Universe does not press charges.
As for how Snake Eyes could be identified:
If the police, prosecutors, or another authority makes an inquiry related to an investigation under the Code of Criminal Procedure, inquiries made through an official written request pursuant to Article 197, Paragraph 2 of the Code of Criminal Procedure impose a duty to report on public offices and public or private organizations. Such reporting is understood not to violate confidentiality obligations under the National Public Service Act or similar laws.
Public offices and other organizations are also generally understood to be unable to refuse to respond to such an inquiry, except when doing so would seriously harm an important national interest.
That is likely how it would proceed.
Please be extremely careful.
There is also a crime called coercion; someone was arrested recently for forcing store employees to kneel and apologize. Forcing someone to do something could also potentially lead to arrest.
I’m not sure why you’re posting this in a way that makes it possible to identify you despite using an anonymous message board, but I wanted to inform you of the risks described above.
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I’m Kazu, a male member.
> Even without meeting her, isn’t the woman asking the question not even worth an allowance of 50,000 yen?
I don’t even know whether the person in that question actually exists, but I assume you’re asking whether she’s someone who would want to date for an allowance of 50,000 yen.
I can’t say for sure since I haven’t met her, but based on the question alone, she isn’t someone I’d want to meet.
> While thinking, “There’s no way anyone would pay that much,” aren’t some of the respondents just pretending to be gentlemen and lying?
If they’re saying, “There are people who occasionally offer 100,000 or 150,000 yen,” then I don’t have enough information to deny it.
Nor can I categorically say that no one would see the questioner as being worth as much as the women who sing “GAGAGA” for Snake Eyes.
I joined Universe Club because there was a woman I wanted them to introduce me to badly enough to pay the 100,000-yen setting fee for the Black Class. People’s values really do vary that much.
That said, I didn’t feel like giving that question a thoughtful answer, so I wrote the kind of response I did.
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I’m Flagmaker, a column writer.
One of the rules and guidelines for answerers says:
“Rather than prioritizing accuracy, respond based on your feelings and passion at that moment.”
Finding that line made me feel a lot more at ease.
So, I’m sorry. My answers lately are driven purely by emotion and passion—nothing more, nothing less—and I’ve increasingly been responding without considering the impact on those around me. My apologies.
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I’m a male member who goes by Kamihikōki.
Isn’t the respondent saying something similar to what Janome wrote? If it’s 78, then they wouldn’t pursue an arrangement…
The female members are told it’s 3–5, and in reality, that’s the range they receive. Outside the club, it’s even lower…
There may be women asking questions because they want to raise the going rate, and if that leads to more women wanting to join, then I don’t think it’s something to worry about too much.
Also, not all men are looking to be intimate with lots of women, so please don’t forget that some men have absolutely no interest in Janome’s articles, experiences, or information.
P.S.
Are you concerned about the allowance because you see it as compensation for sex?
Personally, I’m not particularly interested in paying for sex. If I find value in a woman, then whether we’re intimate or not, I think it’s up to me to give her what I want—whether that’s 2 or 3 after intimacy, or 100 without it. I think everyone has different standards and ranges.
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