> I’m concerned that the going rate has apparently been 5 all along.
It hasn’t always been 5.
Did you perhaps assume that comments from Q&A respondents saying, “I get 5,” represented the going rate? They were only talking about their own situations. It’s incorrect to treat the experiences of a few men out of thousands of male members as the market rate.
Alternatively, if you, the questioner, have only ever received 5, then that is simply the allowance offered to you—not the going rate.
I think it would be best to clarify first whether you’re asking about the market rate or your own situation.
The subject of market rates is quite complicated. There have always been a certain number of women receiving over 100,000 yen on a pay-per-meeting basis, and some receive over 200,000 yen.
But we wouldn’t call that the market rate, would we?
Based on what I’ve heard, Platinum and Black women often receive around 70,000–80,000 yen per meeting. Among Black women in particular, many receive over 100,000 yen per meeting.
From another perspective, some men who came from matching apps originally thought 20,000–30,000 yen was enough, as that was the norm on those apps. But after seeing respondents on the Q&A site write that they paid 50,000 yen, they began offering 50,000 yen instead.
As for the street workers in Shinjuku, it seems that during the initial period of intense competition, many women were willing to go all the way for 10,000 yen. Later, police crackdowns intensified and more and more women were arrested, reducing their numbers. There also seems to have been discussion among the women that it was a problem to accept only 10,000 yen.
Now, women accepting 10,000 yen have almost disappeared, and the rate seems to start at around 20,000 yen.
So, in the case of the street workers in Shinjuku, you could say the market rate has doubled from what it was for a time.
Matching apps also apparently used to have many women accepting 20,000 yen or less, but now more women are asking for 30,000 yen or more, so perhaps the market rate is gradually rising.
In the first place, anything referred to as a “market rate” is usually determined by supply and demand.
If the number of women increases, the rate goes down; if the number of men increases, the rate goes up.
The difficult part is that even if the market rate rises, what an individual woman actually receives varies from person to person.
So even when people talk about “the market rate,” the allowance received by each individual woman often has little to do with it.
For example, even if you say, “The market rate is 100,000 yen, so I want 100,000 yen too,” other women may be able to receive 100,000 yen, but whether you can receive it is a separate matter.
Of course, the opposite can also happen. Even if the market rate is 50,000 yen, some women receive over 100,000 yen from everyone.
> What’s up with the older guy who always offers 50,000 yen?
It simply means that he doesn’t want to offer women more than 50,000 yen.
How much do you spend on a ballpoint pen to write on paper?
Someone who thinks a 100-yen pen is good enough will keep paying 100 yen as long as they can get one for that price. If prices rise and they can no longer get one for 100 yen, they’ll decide what to do then.
If they decide they don’t need to use ballpoint pens anymore, they’ll stop buying them. If pens become unavailable for less than 150 yen, they’ll pay 150 yen.
Of course, people with plenty of money use ballpoint pens costing tens of thousands of yen or more. Ultimately, though, it comes down to personal values.
> Even adult entertainment establishments are raising their prices, though.
The fact that you’re using adult entertainment establishments as a comparison makes me think you still don’t understand Universe Club—or perhaps you don’t understand men’s psychology.
I think it would help to try to understand men’s feelings a little better.
It’s true that the cost of living has risen significantly over the past few years, so the value of the same amount of money has changed. Given that, it’s perfectly natural to feel that something is off when “the going rate has stayed at 5 the whole time.”
That said, Universe Club isn’t a place that guarantees a going rate. It’s also a place where you choose and negotiate the terms yourself, and meet only people you’re comfortable with.
Rather than seeing it simply as dissatisfaction with the going rate, you could also view it as entering a phase where women get to decide whether they actually want to meet someone for that amount.
To be honest, some women are satisfied with 5, while others feel it no longer works with their current standard of living. The gap between them is simply widening; I don’t think it’s a matter of one side being right or wrong.
If it feels too low or makes you feel unvalued, don’t ignore that feeling. Raising your terms, choosing someone else, or taking a step back are all perfectly valid choices.
I believe the most important things when continuing are feeling satisfied with your choices and maintaining your self-respect.
There’s no need to force yourself to put up with it. Please value your own feelings.
Toward the end of the bubble era, after going through the days of enko for “one strawberry” (¥15,000) or so, are people nowadays getting around ¥15,000–¥30,000 from Toyoko street workers or dating apps?
Compared to that, you could say it’s still not so bad.
Even if someone seems to have a nasty personality like the person asking this question, with the way papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) works, they can still get paid that much—so maybe it’s a pretty good system? lol
With the club’s introduction fee, the date expenses, meals, rooms, and the allowance, isn’t it still cheaper for the papa (a male supporter) than using a sex service?
As for what women earn in the sex industry, at a high-end soapland, the woman’s cut is about 50%, right? It’s pretty tough becoming a popular girl—the competition is intense.
Would the questioner even get accepted at a ¥30,000 soapland? Maybe one in the ¥20,000 range?
At a ¥30,000 soapland, would you take home ¥15,000 per customer?
At a ¥20,000 one, ¥10,000?
Why not give the sex industry a try? Even creepy, unhygienic old guys can’t be turned away.
Six customers at ¥10,000 each gives you ¥60,000. That’s more than the ¥50,000 allowance.
If you see six or more customers in one day at a ¥20,000 soapland, you can beat what you’d make from one papa-katsu meeting, lol.
But you’d have to become pretty popular to get six customers in a day.
Showing your face is a must, and your parents might cry.
Good luck!
