My allowance keeps getting lowered

I’ve never heard of a man like that. If he tried to lower my allowance, I’d be too embarrassed and would end things.

Could this possibly be about PATOLO? When women apply to Universe Club and attend an interview, staff may say something like, “Would you like to register with PATOLO as well? It could increase your chances of receiving offers.” Some women simply say yes and end up registered, so they may assume Universe Club and PATOLO are the same thing. But from the men’s perspective, they’re completely different. The separation between the two has become remarkably clear. On PATOLO, there are many chats from men asking things like, “Would you be okay with an allowance of 20,000 yen?” or “How about 30,000 yen?” Some women apparently accept because they feel it’s better than not receiving any offers at all, but most turn them down. Naturally, at Universe Club, an allowance of 50,000 yen or more is standard, and many women routinely receive 70,000 or even 100,000 yen. So women with that kind of experience understandably feel the offers are far too low and decline them. Also, at Universe Club, the staff arrange everything between the two parties. Once a date is set, there’s a 99% chance it will actually happen. But on PATOLO, even after men and women agree on a date through chat, many men simply don’t show up at the meeting place. The reason is simple: Since the men haven’t paid the club, they feel that although they’ve made a promise to the woman, no agreement with the club itself has actually been activated. That means the chat function is basically just used to ask about the allowance, ask what kinds of activities are possible, or send nude photos of other women. As I’ve mentioned before, it’s a chaotic situation. Of course, the staff regularly add rules prohibiting such behavior and are making efforts to improve things, so I think it will eventually get better. But at this stage, there’s still a long way to go. From the men’s perspective, being able to ask about the allowance in advance or what positions are possible is obviously convenient. But from the women’s perspective, some may wonder, “Isn’t this basically a sex service?” Anyway, getting back to the point: if this is a PATOLO arrangement, many men will want to keep the cost down. They may have paid 50,000 yen the first time, but then try to negotiate it down to their preferred amount, so the conversation may shift toward 40,000 or 30,000 yen. Even at Universe Club, there are strange men who claim that the 50,000 yen allowance includes the transportation fee required under the club rules, so from the second meeting onward it should be 40,000 yen. So I think it’s important to confirm the amount. The best approach is to ask soon after entering the hotel: “Just to confirm, the allowance is still the same 50,000 yen as last time, right?” Once it’s after the fact, there’s not much you can do. But if you confirm beforehand and he says 40,000 yen, you can decline right then. You only have to leave the room and go home. That’s why it’s best to confirm as soon as you enter the room—before you’ve undressed, it’s easy to leave. So I recommend confirming the terms properly in advance the second time. If he tells you afterward that he’s only paying 40,000 yen, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to say, “I didn’t agree to 40,000 yen. I’ll call the police.” And if he says, “Go ahead,” then actually call and say, “I was subjected to non-consensual intercourse.” Since you didn’t consent to 40,000 yen, you wouldn’t technically be lying.

I assumed the 40,000 yen the first time was meant to cover transportation, so I said, “If I can’t get 50,000 yen next time, I won’t be able to meet.” If you can’t say that directly, you should at least say it over LINE. If you don’t, I think it’s only natural that it gets reduced to 30,000 yen next time. Once you accept changed terms, they become the default. There are women who ask to change the terms midway through, too. Since this is a relationship involving money, women want as much as possible, while men want to pay as little as possible—a balance of supply and demand, haha. What concerns me is whether you seem easy for him to negotiate with. Men generally won’t try to lower the allowance if they don’t want to lose someone, so perhaps you’re becoming someone he wouldn’t mind parting with. It seems there may be something for you to work on as well.

I suspect quite a few male members are looking to keep the allowance as low as possible. That said, one phrase caught my attention: “after sex.” Are you really putting in the effort? If the sex is thoroughly satisfying, I don’t think she’d lower the price. Next time, try being on top!

Haha, that’s funny! It sounds like a pretty common situation. I think I kept giving her travel expenses for about three years. Don’t be so petty about it! You can always just stop seeing her. It really comes down to whether you want to quit or continue, right? Personally, if you can put up with it, I think it’s better to keep going. You’ll take home more that way. Maybe the papa is only continuing the relationship reluctantly—or forcing himself to? Ah! That’s not the case with us, though! It’s been almost seven years, and we’re both still looking forward to seeing each other, haha.

There’s no doubt that the man’s behavior was awful, but… It also comes across that she isn’t a woman who can freely enjoy her club activities as she wishes. At a club, I imagine it’s extremely rare for a woman to be treated carelessly.

I think it’s because so many men have strong sexual desires despite not having much money, yet still can’t feel satisfied with sex work. Some of them probably also have the stingy mindset of wanting to keep things cheap so they can feel like they got a good deal. They may also resent constantly being taken advantage of financially because they’re desperate to climax and their desperation gets used against them. Incidentally, this is her third question. Her age and gender have remained consistent. ↓ ---------- The other day, I received a notice that I had passed and was told to wait one week for my profile to be created, but it’s been over three weeks and I still haven’t heard anything. What does this mean...? 2024/03/15 19:24 Woman, in her 20s, Universe female member 87362 It’s been over three weeks since I received the acceptance notice, but I haven’t been contacted about my profile being created. Does this mean I didn’t pass? 2024/03/15 19:22 Woman, in her 20s, Universe female member 87362 ---------- Since she doesn’t seem to be a troll pretending to be someone else just for fun, I’ll give a somewhat more helpful answer. The questioner probably registered a year ago and is a genuine beginner in her early twenties, perhaps. She may have researched papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) online and thought that, after being accepted by Universe, her dream life as a mistress would begin. But in the end, it’s all about exchanging money and negotiating, so it feels like the papas (male supporters)—or men in general—are taking her a little too lightly. They’ve all built up their money after gaining plenty of experience and going through their share of hardships, so getting money out of them skillfully requires a certain level of negotiating ability. Basically, it’s like haggling at a souvenir shop while traveling abroad. Think of it as a kind of entertainment or game strategy, don’t take it too seriously, and if someone lowballs you, approach the next one with the attitude of, “I’ll get a higher price from the next person.” If this is enough to damage your mental health, you’re defeating the whole purpose—or rather, it makes you wonder why you started papa-katsu in the first place.

You can’t really ask, “Why do men do things like this?” when it’s simply that particular man who behaves that way. I agree that you’re being treated carelessly, but I think you tend to be treated that way because you’re the kind of person who makes posts like this. Personally, I’ve never said anything like that to a woman. If I feel I accidentally made an offer to someone I wouldn’t want to meet even with an allowance, I simply don’t meet her again. Though, to be honest, I even question whether the person making posts like this is actually a woman.