I recently registered with a club, and I have a date scheduled for the week after next.
I chose Type B2 because I think I’d feel nervous going straight to a hotel with someone I’m meeting for the first time.
Reading through the Q&A, I’ve come across several posts from women who ended up spending a long time on a date for less than the allowance they had hoped for.
This is my first time signing up for a site like this, so this may be a silly question. I was told that with Dating Type B2, “the first meeting is dinner, and if a future adult relationship (intimate) seems unlikely, the second meeting will be declined.” In that case, is it best to negotiate the allowance while we’re meeting for the first time?
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I have to agree wholeheartedly with the observation that many of the older men on Flag Maker have nerves as delicate as glass. That said, my view is that you never have to take your pants off if you’re not comfortable with what the person asking expects, no matter the circumstances.
Personally, I think the club’s classification of relationship types is extremely problematic. In some cases, it strongly suggests managed prostitution or brokering prostitution.
Presumably, they operate cautiously under the guidance of a legal adviser. However, for example, I believe the explanation for “B2”—“Decline if there won’t be a second meeting”—essentially means, “Please take your pants off the second time.” As I understand it, despite not being a legal expert, that could constitute brokering prostitution.
I’ve gone on at length, but the questioner’s wishes should always come first!
I’ll say this outright: if you voluntarily take your pants off and receive an allowance, you won’t be arrested even if the other person is someone you don’t know, because there are no applicable penalties. However, I should add that there are clear—well, supposedly clear—penalties for managed prostitution and brokering prostitution.
The many women arrested at Okubo Park were not arrested for having sex with an unspecified number of people, but for soliciting customers in a public place.
So let’s discuss allowance amounts quietly, shall we?
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If you’re only having your first date the week after next, then, to put it bluntly, you probably aren’t one of the most in-demand women.
In that case, it’s safest for you to avoid negotiating the allowance yourself.
Unless the man is treating you particularly badly, I’d suggest focusing first on maintaining the arrangement.
If you’re unhappy with the time commitment or the amount of the allowance, it’s better to receive offers from a few other men first, then renegotiate while being prepared to end things if necessary.
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To avoid mismatches on both sides, I think it’s best to communicate in a way that suits your own style.
The timing depends on whether you place more importance on the allowance or on the nature of the relationship.
From your question, you seem to be looking for a transactional relationship focused on the allowance, so I think you should be clear about it from the very first day.
That should also help prevent mismatches between you and your partner.
In my case, we don’t usually discuss the allowance until things progress to an adult relationship (intimate). And with women I’ve been seeing for years, we’ve never discussed the allowance or even set an amount after becoming intimate.
I think the timing and manner in which you bring it up can also help you understand whether you’re compatible with each other.
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If the man brings up the terms while you’re together, discuss them then. If he doesn’t, confirm them later via LINE.
It’s better to say, in this order: ① “I’d really like to date you,” and then ② “So I’d like to know what your terms are.” The reason is that some men lose interest if you ask about the terms first.
If you decide dating him isn’t going to work, it may be best to keep chatting with him on LINE for a while, then suddenly leave his messages unread after about two weeks. Saying “I can’t date you” will hurt him, and lying that you’ve “decided to quit papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan)” would hurt him even more.
Most older guys are delicate, troublesome creatures who get discouraged and hurt easily, so treat them with care, as if you were gently holding them in both hands.
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It’s not a website. It’s a dating club.
I was told that with Dating Type B2, “the first meeting is dinner, and if an adult relationship seems unlikely, you can decline a second meeting.” In that case, is it best to negotiate the allowance during the first meeting?
☆ Whether it’s B or C, if you’re not interested, feel free to decline.
However, if you think there’s even a slight chance you could develop the relationship, arrange a second meeting and exchange a few LINE messages before then. That should help you get a better sense of the man.
You’ll usually receive the most offers at the beginning, and there’s a greater chance that offers will stop coming after that. So whenever possible, value each offer and focus on developing the relationship.
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Yes, I think you should generally discuss the terms of the arrangement during your first meeting. Of course, if you haven’t made up your mind yet, you should let them know that as well. I also think it’s best to be as specific as possible—for example, how much for dinner only (no intimacy), and how much for dinner plus an adult relationship (intimate).
In the case of a B2, even if you don’t think there will be a next time, I think it’s fine to agree on the terms without actually scheduling another meeting. Turning someone down face-to-face takes courage, so I feel it’s kinder to generally act as though you like them.
The advantage of this dating club is that both parties are free to choose who they meet, so you shouldn’t worry too much—just make the most of it.
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You should set them for the first meeting.
Relationships through a dating club are contractual, so I think it’s best to clearly establish the terms before starting. As the relationship continues, you may need to revisit the original agreement, but by then you’ll have gotten to know each other, so you can work things out flexibly.
That said, think things through carefully and negotiate and set the terms so it doesn’t end after just the first meeting.
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