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Oct 10, 2021 14:30
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Sorry for the long post.
Recently, someone I was involved with several years ago suddenly contacted me through Instagram. We had dinner, and he asked me to get back together with him. He’s an elderly but very handsome gentleman. He has an extraordinary amount of vitality—he’s certainly no ordinary person, much like some of the people who answer questions here.
So I’d like to ask:
・Would it be okay to tell him that I’d like to receive an allowance from him, which I didn’t receive before?
・I’ve even considered telling him that I’m registered with this club and asking him to join and make me an offer… Or maybe he’s already registered with this club? (His sudden contact and how quickly the subject of an allowance came up made me wonder.)
He has a primary wife and a longtime mistress.
I learned a great deal about life from him, and it was a very valuable experience.
I believe relationships are ultimately a matter of personal values. However, the reason we broke up back then was that, at my request, our relationship also became connected to work, and he became uncomfortable worrying about how it looked to those around him. We also stopped being compatible, including because our desires regarding an adult relationship (intimate) no longer aligned. He told me, “If it’s meant to be, we’ll see each other again,” and I quit my job.
Maybe because I want to be seen favorably by others, I can’t bring up money myself. Unless someone is exceptionally considerate, I tend to be unable to refuse people who are pushy and persistent. I can discuss money when it concerns work. But papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) isn’t a profession, after all.
I joined this club because if I’m going to date a man, I’d prefer an allowance-based relationship. Even in a transactional relationship, though, I’d like there to be at least some genuine affection involved.
I’m old enough to have established my own values, and I thought I had learned to make my own decisions. But I cared about this person deeply, and now I’m wavering because I don’t want to repeat the same mistake.
I do have a job, but because of family circumstances, my immediate financial situation is also important.
Ideally, I’d like to have an allowance-based relationship with someone so wonderful that I wouldn’t even need the allowance. As for my future activities with the club, I intend to make my own decisions and work toward them.
I have one more question related to what I mentioned earlier:
・If our past relationship involved him insisting that I not see anyone else—in other words, wanting exclusivity—would making him my papa (a male supporter) this time amount to an “antimonopoly law” violation from his perspective?
Since the exclusivity before wasn’t about an allowance, I mean that having an allowance would give us the freedom to maintain a clear boundary.
I’m unsure whether I should tell him how I feel, knowing I may lose him.
When I think about it alone, I get confused. I’m sorry for asking such a bothersome question, but I would be grateful for your advice.
6 answers
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Katsu Otoko, a male member. I’ve been winning at life nonstop, so I’m definitely not Make Otoko.
I’ve heard a rumor that Make Otoko, after losing at everything, threw a parting line at the Emperor of Nagoya—“Just you wait!”—and fled west from Nagoya.
Anyway, here’s my answer.
It’s as simple as 1 + 1 = 2.
1. Meet in person.
2. Pretend to get excited reminiscing about the good times you had.
3. Say that you’d like to see him again, but you’re struggling financially and need to work, so you think today will be your last time meeting.
That should do it.
Anything along the lines of “I want an allowance” is very likely to kill the mood, no matter how delicately you phrase it.
Instead, tell him, “I’d like to see you, but I have to work, so I don’t have time to meet.”
If you still can’t get any support out of him, that ideal older supporter probably doesn’t have any money. Either way, there’s no future there.
Other
This is Ayase Nana ♡
I’m in my late 40s.
> Do you think it would be okay to tell him that I’d like to receive an allowance, even though he didn’t give me one before?
♡ If he’s a wealthy older gentleman, I think he may understand to some extent. Since it sounds like he already has a long-term mistress, rather than bluntly saying, “Please give me an allowance,” try to subtly let him know that you need one—something a middle-aged woman can say naturally.
> I’ve even considered telling him that I’m registered with a club and asking him to join so he can make me an offer… Or maybe asking, “Are you registered with this club?” since he contacted me out of the blue and brought up the allowance so quickly.
I don’t think you should tell him that you’re registered with a club.
People might understand if a college student or woman in her 20s is registered with a dating club, but some may wonder, “A mature woman at a dating club?”
You’ve lived long enough to come up with a tactful way to phrase it.
♡ Subtly let him know that you need an allowance.
♡ As for Universe, give them that man’s phone number and ask them to hide it, whether he’s already registered or not.
Then perhaps you could arrange things so that you receive an offer through the club? (Just be careful not to get caught.)
Wishing you the best of luck.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member who goes by Paper Airplane.
I believe the man you’re seeing wants to support you in any way he can and maintain a good relationship with you for the long term.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with bringing up the subject of an allowance.
That said, he may feel uncomfortable if the conversation starts sounding too much like a club arrangement or focuses too directly on payment.
If you leave things up to whatever the handsome older gentleman feels comfortable doing, I think he’ll offer a reasonable amount of support.
If you’d still like to see him even for an amount equivalent to half or one-third of what you’d receive through a club, it might be worth being honest with him and discussing it.
Ultimately, how much of an allowance-equivalent amount he gives you will depend on how he feels.
I don’t think you need to worry about the “antitrust” aspect. You can think about that if and when you decide that this person alone is enough for you.
Other
I’m Osaka, a male member.
So, the attractive older guy has nothing to do with UC, has experience dating without an allowance, and the person asking the question doesn’t have a bad impression of him either.
The question is whether he understands papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) as it is now. If you bring up an allowance, it might not go well.
He’s basically looking for an exclusive relationship without an allowance, right? Even if he offers various kinds of support, there’s a high chance he only intends to date on those terms.
If dating without an allowance isn’t an option for you, I think you should tell him that from the start and see how he responds.
It might be a good idea to tell him that you’re currently registered with UC. Even if it’s just a bluff, mentioning that you’re currently seeing someone who gives you an allowance may make him think about the situation.
That said, I don’t think it would be rude to tell him you still want to date him. If you’re okay with dating without an allowance, you can at least make it clear that exclusivity isn’t negotiable.
If the only thing that matters to you is receiving an allowance, it would be a mistake to simply assume that exclusivity is automatically off the table. I’d avoid starting the conversation from that assumption.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kazu, a male member.
The question was somewhat difficult to understand, so I’m sorry if I haven’t answered it adequately.
> Do you think it would be okay for me to tell him that I’d like to receive an allowance from him, even though he didn’t give me one before?
You’re free to bring it up. However, if there was no allowance before, I don’t think he’s planning to give you one this time either.
He seems to be the kind of man who doesn’t like handing over cash as an allowance.
> Because the contact was so sudden, and it feels too soon to bring up the allowance.
What do you mean by saying it’s too soon to talk about the allowance?
> If our previous relationship was exclusive, with him telling me not to see anyone else, do you think becoming my papa this time would violate antimonopoly law for him?
Do you mean that, during your previous relationship, the man prohibited you from seeing other men?
What does “antimonopoly law” mean here?
I’m not entirely sure, but if he prohibited you from seeing multiple partners before, I imagine he would prohibit it this time as well.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Dai, a male member.
Even if you’ve known him well for years, I think it would be best to meet in person first and talk about your current situation.
If you reply on Instagram about things like the allowance without knowing all the details, he might feel disappointed and wonder whether you’ve changed.
I can understand the idea that having an allowance helps maintain a certain boundary—if you explain it to him directly.
By the way, getting him to join the club would make discussing the allowance much easier. However, if he doesn’t already know about the club, there’s also a greater risk that he’ll find another attractive woman and leave you behind.