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Sep 24, 2021 01:13
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A lot of girls don’t like that. They keep their distance, so to speak. Are they really that concerned about what other people think?
Isn’t that part of what the dating allowance is for? That’s how I see it.
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🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
I’ll answer as Maezawa from the CEO’s office.
> Are you really that concerned about what people around you think?
I think most people would be concerned.
If you aren’t, you must be incredibly oblivious.
Are you the type who could walk around town naked without even noticing?
The kind of person who’d just get arrested.
And then say, “What’s the problem?” right?
> Isn’t that included in the dating expenses?
Oh, I see.
So if the allowance is ¥70,000 when you don’t even hold hands, does that mean you give around ¥140,000 when you do hold hands?
If you’re paying that much, I can understand why you’d proudly call it dating expenses.
But surely you’re not demanding all that while offering such a small allowance, are you?
I feel like you need to start by learning some basic common sense and becoming aware of how others see you.
Of course, there are a few people with exceptional abilities who can get the other person to take their hand first.
But, honestly, they aren’t ordinary people. (Laughs)
It’s like a special privilege reserved for people with extraordinary talent.
Otherwise, taking a woman’s clothes off and photographing her in the middle of the street would be impossible for an ordinary person.
The moment you ask, she’ll say, “Huh?”
And things will get awkward.
Well, if you only want photos, I suppose even I might be able to get a woman to take her clothes off outdoors.
But I think it would be difficult for an ordinary person. (Laughs)
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m a male member who’s basically a loser.
Nagoya is the only place where you’re allowed to walk around town with a woman from the club.
In other cities, holding hands is completely out of the question. At the very least, you should walk at least 10 meters apart.
I even take separate taxis when moving from a dinner date to a hotel. I check in first, then have the woman come up to the room a little later.
I specialize in Type B arrangements, so I explain all of this smoothly to my date on our first meeting.
When we have no choice but to eat at a table, another absolute basic is to deliberately sit in the seat of honor so the woman’s face isn’t visible to other people in the restaurant.
If you really want to hold hands, how about going to a cabaret club as a companion date?
Otherwise, please stick to activities in Nagoya.
Going shopping with a girl at Aeon is fun, too♪
Incidentally, the going rate for an adult relationship in Nagoya is 7+, because 1 is added for being able to walk around town holding hands.
In other cities, you’re not allowed to hold hands, so the going rate for an adult relationship is 6+.
Other
Of course you’d be curious—that’s only natural.
Save lines like, “So what if there’s an age gap?” for a girlfriend you’re actually in a relationship with that could lead to marriage.
Otherwise, you could simply ask how much allowance it would take for her to be willing to hold hands with you.
—Marika
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m in Seattle.
Put a dollar value on the risk of being recognized in public, and ask for that as an additional amount.
🏅 40歳でリアル異世界転生したオッサン l 元金融マン → 現AI界隈
出張ホストの実技試験合格してるので、対女性への無難な前戯とかマナーに一定の知見あり。
Age: 40s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Flag Maker, a columnist.
I do meet at hotels after giving an allowance, but when it comes to holding hands in public, I gauge the mood while respecting the woman’s wishes.
That is included in the allowance for an adult relationship (intimate), but holding hands in public is not.
Other
I’m Nana Ayase ♡
“I want to walk hand in hand”—I see.
Girls who willingly hold hands and walk with you, without seeming uncomfortable, may be pretending to be proper ladies while actually being quite experienced. They might even have worked in the adult entertainment or hostess industry.
They can hold hands because they’re used to it. If you assume they can’t because they’re inexperienced and nervous, then I think they’re the innocent, ordinary girls that gentlemen prefer.
For someone around my age, holding hands probably wouldn’t feel strange, but even I get so nervous that I can’t hold hands until we’ve met four or five times. I hope you’ll understand.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Dai, a male member.
I don’t want my friends or parents to find out.
I wouldn’t want to hold hands either, because I wouldn’t want a coworker to see me.
Maybe you feel that way because you wouldn’t mind being seen.
It’s important to act with the other person’s feelings in mind.
いっつ・みぃ
Male
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Age: 50s
👨 Male
Other
It’s me.
The basic rule is not to do anything a woman doesn’t want.
“Dating expenses that include that, too…” Seriously? Is this some kind of escort-service option? lol
If the questioner can tell, “She’s uncomfortable” or “She’s keeping her distance,” then you’re probably going too far ^^;
The right timing is when you’re both having fun, want to get closer, and before you know it, you’re holding hands…
Once you’ve gotten that far, you’ll gradually get better at reading the right moment to hold hands.
But don’t do it within either of your usual areas or communities. If even you’re worried about being seen, she’s probably even more self-conscious.
The man should be considerate enough to make sure it doesn’t look unnatural or become awkward if someone you know sees or runs into you.
Other
Unless it’s something truly exceptional, I think they’d find it unpleasant.
Just because there’s an allowance, insisting on getting what you want instead of considering the other person’s position or feelings will make people dislike you.
After all, when you clearly look like a parent and child—or even grandparent and grandchild—and the man is acting all starry-eyed, it looks exactly like papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan).
The things and people someone thinks look “natural” and that nobody minds are often painfully obvious to everyone around them.
—Akari
Other
I’m Taro, a male member.
Isn’t that normally something you’d feel uncomfortable with? I wouldn’t want to walk hand in hand with a teenager in a busy downtown area either(笑). You could proudly say, “So what if there’s an age gap?” if you’d built a deep bond with that person, but after meeting just a few times through a dating club, that usually wouldn’t be the case. Do you simply want to walk around holding hands? If so, that’s a kind of play.
The basic premise of the allowance in these relationships is, I think, dinner and spending the night. You go to a decent restaurant and then have regular sex afterward. That’s the standard, and any additional “extras” should be discussed each time. It depends on the individual whether they’re comfortable with something, and whether it’s free or paid. Being able to discuss those things properly and reach an agreement is also part of a male member’s skill set.
Sometimes you can hold hands naturally without explicitly talking about it—you can tell from their reaction, right? Do they squeeze back, or do they do nothing? If it’s the latter, that’s a no, so let go. If you want to test the waters, it’s better to let your hands merely brush rather than actually taking their hand. If there’s no reaction, you can just pass it off as an accident(笑). Conversely, sometimes the woman will take your hand first, but that’s relatively significant, so I think you should be properly prepared for what it might mean. For light physical contact, I get the impression that linking arms is more common than holding hands. The more you think about it, the deeper it gets(笑)
Other
I’m Aya, a female member.
I understand how you feel, but please hold back and wait for her to reach for your hand first. If you initiate it, she’ll definitely be put off.
The thing is, people who want to walk hand in hand for some reason tend to be those who were never very popular. This applies regardless of age.
They probably didn’t have many girls around them growing up, so they developed a strong idealization of women. By coincidence, all of my papas (male supporters) are men who were genuinely popular with women. They say things like, “I’ve always been able to win over any woman I pursued, so even if there were a woman’s breasts right in front of me, I wouldn’t think, ‘Wow, lucky me!’ I can touch them whenever I want.” Apparently, they’ve never even wanted to hold hands.
At first I thought, “Huh??? Is that supposed to be a brag? That’s hilarious.” But when I actually see one of those papas drinking around Nishi-Azabu and Roppongi, girls are the ones constantly pressing themselves against him. It made me think, “Ah, men who’ve been popular with women since they were young don’t idealize women’s bodies—or women as a whole.” As much as it pains me to admit it.
So when a papa who has never really been popular gives off that eager-to-hold-hands vibe, women get turned off. You can sense his lack of confidence—the lack of ease that comes from never having been popular. Confidence equals popularity.
That kind of confidence comes naturally when you’re comfortable in your own skin. So become a handsome older gentleman who makes women want to take his hand naturally. I may be a bit young to be giving advice, but I honestly think that’s the quickest way to hold hands with a beautiful woman. Good luck!
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’m Kamihikōki, a male member.
Not just in the club world, but in general, people tend to fall into two groups: those who want to make their partner happy and those who want to satisfy themselves.
I think being the kind of papa who enjoys seeing a woman’s happy expressions is more fulfilling.